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Using the sword to westernize Muslims
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Faris Jawad
2005-07-12 01:19:08 UTC
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Using the sword to westernize Muslims

by Abid Mustafa

"Today the world has more to fear from the destructive nature of western
values than WMD in the hands of Muslims. In the past these values were
enforced upon nations either through direct colonial rule or through
tyrannical regimes loyal to the West. Presently, the greatest danger-facing
mankind is the constant threat of the West imposing its values on the rest
of the world through its own WMD."

Whenever western governments mention weapons of mass destruction (WMD) and
Muslims in the same breath, the western media immediately breaks into wild
frenzy warning its people that a catastrophic event of epic proportions is
about to unfold. Old European fables of Muslims spreading Islam by the sword
are reinvented to convey the impression that Muslims are extremely
dangerous, highly irresponsible and pay scant regard to human life. Hence
the mantra of disarming Muslim countries of WMD has become the rallying cry
of the West directed against the Muslim world.

In some cases the arguments are extended to justify the West's ongoing
policy of regime change in Syria, Iran and perhaps Pakistan. However, a
close study of Islamic rule in the past contradicts the popular western myth
that Muslims are bloodthirsty people anxious to wipe out the rest of mankind
in the name of Islam.

The same however, cannot be said about the West. The West, armed with its
secular doctrine and materialistic world-view proceeded to exploit, plunder
and colonize vast populations in order to control resources and maximize
wealth.

In pursuit of these newfound riches the West succeeded in destroying
civilizations such as the Incas, American Indians, Aztecs, and Aborigines.
Those who survived colonization were forcibly converted to Christianity,
stripped of their heritage and sold into bondage to western companies. For
the indigenous people of Africa, India, Asia, Middle East and others, the
promises of freedom quickly evaporated and were replaced by colonial rule.
Rather than show remorse towards such atrocities, the West could only gloat
at its achievements.

Technologies such as cannons, pistols, steam engines, machine guns,
airplanes, mustard gas. etc, only hastened the acquisition of colonies and
the exploitation of its people. Resistance offered by the natives towards
their colonial masters was met by brute force - often resulting in the
destruction of entire communities. When the West was not destroying the
natives they were too busy annihilating each other in a desperate bid to
cling on to their precious colonies. World Wars I and II are prime examples
of the destructive nature of western values.

This is a description of the Old World, where countries like England,
France, and Germany built empires and accumulated immense wealth on the
death and destruction of millions of innocent people. Is the New World
(America leading the West) any different today?
Take the example of the New World and its relationship with Afghanistan and
Iraq. Liberation has become occupation; democracy has given way to colonial
rule, devastation is termed as precision bombing and the slaughter of
innocent Muslims is described as collateral damage. Meanwhile, American and
British oil companies are queuing up to exploit the oil wells of Iraq and
transport the energy reserves of the Caspian Sea to Europe via Afghanistan.

The Islamic Caliphate in the past never treated mankind in such a barbaric
fashion. Neither did the Caliphate spread Islam by force, nor destroy
civilizations. When Islam spread to Egypt, many Coptic Christians did not
embrace Islam, and today they still number approximately 7 million.
Likewise, when India was opened up to Islam, the inhabitants were not
coerced into accepting Islam. India today has a population of more than 750
million Hindus.

Compare this to extermination of Muslim and Jews in the courts of the
Spanish Inquisitors during the much-coveted European renaissance. Those Jews
that survived the Spanish holocaust were warmly welcomed by the Ottoman
Caliphate. In Islamic Spain they flourished and became important members of
the Islamic society.

Today the world has more to fear from the destructive nature of western
values than WMD in the hands of Muslims. In the past these values were
enforced upon nations either through direct colonial rule or through
tyrannical regimes loyal to the West. Presently, the greatest danger-facing
mankind is the constant threat of the West imposing its values on the rest
of the world through its own WMD.

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d***@safe-mail.net
2005-07-12 01:49:15 UTC
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Post by Faris Jawad
Using the sword to westernize Muslims
by Abid Mustafa
Simply put, moslems residing in the west are frustrated that countries,
they reside in, are not moslem. While an obvious solution to it would
be clogging the emigration lines, they go on cloggin the immigration
lines. It's a mustafa way.
lh
2005-07-12 05:04:54 UTC
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Let me summarise:

In past generations, western christian nations have committed a lot of
bloodshed, so it is therefore proven that countries that are western or
christian are evil. On the other hand since muslim nations have never
commited any such sin (as if), muslim nations should able to own nuclear
weapons.
Post by Faris Jawad
Using the sword to westernize Muslims
by Abid Mustafa
"Today the world has more to fear from the destructive nature of western
values than WMD in the hands of Muslims. In the past these values were
enforced upon nations either through direct colonial rule or through
tyrannical regimes loyal to the West. Presently, the greatest
danger-facing mankind is the constant threat of the West imposing its
values on the rest of the world through its own WMD."
Whenever western governments mention weapons of mass destruction (WMD) and
Muslims in the same breath, the western media immediately breaks into wild
frenzy warning its people that a catastrophic event of epic proportions is
about to unfold. Old European fables of Muslims spreading Islam by the
sword are reinvented to convey the impression that Muslims are extremely
dangerous, highly irresponsible and pay scant regard to human life. Hence
the mantra of disarming Muslim countries of WMD has become the rallying
cry of the West directed against the Muslim world.
In some cases the arguments are extended to justify the West's ongoing
policy of regime change in Syria, Iran and perhaps Pakistan. However, a
close study of Islamic rule in the past contradicts the popular western
myth that Muslims are bloodthirsty people anxious to wipe out the rest of
mankind in the name of Islam.
The same however, cannot be said about the West. The West, armed with its
secular doctrine and materialistic world-view proceeded to exploit,
plunder and colonize vast populations in order to control resources and
maximize wealth.
In pursuit of these newfound riches the West succeeded in destroying
civilizations such as the Incas, American Indians, Aztecs, and Aborigines.
Those who survived colonization were forcibly converted to Christianity,
stripped of their heritage and sold into bondage to western companies. For
the indigenous people of Africa, India, Asia, Middle East and others, the
promises of freedom quickly evaporated and were replaced by colonial rule.
Rather than show remorse towards such atrocities, the West could only
gloat at its achievements.
Technologies such as cannons, pistols, steam engines, machine guns,
airplanes, mustard gas. etc, only hastened the acquisition of colonies and
the exploitation of its people. Resistance offered by the natives towards
their colonial masters was met by brute force - often resulting in the
destruction of entire communities. When the West was not destroying the
natives they were too busy annihilating each other in a desperate bid to
cling on to their precious colonies. World Wars I and II are prime
examples of the destructive nature of western values.
This is a description of the Old World, where countries like England,
France, and Germany built empires and accumulated immense wealth on the
death and destruction of millions of innocent people. Is the New World
(America leading the West) any different today?
Take the example of the New World and its relationship with Afghanistan
and Iraq. Liberation has become occupation; democracy has given way to
colonial rule, devastation is termed as precision bombing and the
slaughter of innocent Muslims is described as collateral damage.
Meanwhile, American and British oil companies are queuing up to exploit
the oil wells of Iraq and transport the energy reserves of the Caspian Sea
to Europe via Afghanistan.
The Islamic Caliphate in the past never treated mankind in such a barbaric
fashion. Neither did the Caliphate spread Islam by force, nor destroy
civilizations. When Islam spread to Egypt, many Coptic Christians did not
embrace Islam, and today they still number approximately 7 million.
Likewise, when India was opened up to Islam, the inhabitants were not
coerced into accepting Islam. India today has a population of more than
750 million Hindus.
Compare this to extermination of Muslim and Jews in the courts of the
Spanish Inquisitors during the much-coveted European renaissance. Those
Jews that survived the Spanish holocaust were warmly welcomed by the
Ottoman Caliphate. In Islamic Spain they flourished and became important
members of the Islamic society.
Today the world has more to fear from the destructive nature of western
values than WMD in the hands of Muslims. In the past these values were
enforced upon nations either through direct colonial rule or through
tyrannical regimes loyal to the West. Presently, the greatest
danger-facing mankind is the constant threat of the West imposing its
values on the rest of the world through its own WMD.
http://usa.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/15237
Acharya
2005-07-12 09:50:07 UTC
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Post by Faris Jawad
Using the sword to westernize Muslims
by Abid Mustafa
"Today the world has more to fear from the destructive nature of western
values than WMD in the hands of Muslims. In the past these values were
enforced upon nations either through direct colonial rule or through
tyrannical regimes loyal to the West. Presently, the greatest
danger-facing mankind is the constant threat of the West imposing its
values on the rest of the world through its own WMD."
The west is ruled by constitutions and representative governments based on
universal human rights; whereas, Moslems are ruled by fascist dictatorships.
Post by Faris Jawad
Whenever western governments mention weapons of mass destruction (WMD) and
Muslims in the same breath, the western media immediately breaks into wild
frenzy warning its people that a catastrophic event of epic proportions is
about to unfold. Old European fables of Muslims spreading Islam by the
sword are reinvented to convey the impression that Muslims are extremely
dangerous, highly irresponsible and pay scant regard to human life. Hence
the mantra of disarming Muslim countries of WMD has become the rallying
cry of the West directed against the Muslim world.
Westerners and nonmoslems do not hijack passenger jetliners and fly them
into skyscrapers full of people nor do they wear bomb belts and drive
carbombs into crowds of people nor blow up passenger trains and buses nor
hack to death entire villages. These are moslem rituals.
Post by Faris Jawad
In some cases the arguments are extended to justify the West's ongoing
policy of regime change in Syria, Iran and perhaps Pakistan. However, a
close study of Islamic rule in the past contradicts the popular western
myth that Muslims are bloodthirsty people anxious to wipe out the rest of
mankind in the name of Islam.
The same however, cannot be said about the West. The West, armed with its
secular doctrine and materialistic world-view proceeded to exploit,
plunder and colonize vast populations in order to control resources and
maximize wealth.
Prove it.
Post by Faris Jawad
In pursuit of these newfound riches the West succeeded in destroying
civilizations such as the Incas, American Indians, Aztecs, and Aborigines.
The western values are based on freedom and human rights
Post by Faris Jawad
Those who survived colonization were forcibly converted to Christianity,
stripped of their heritage and sold into bondage to western companies.
Mistaking the part for the whole. These are nonexistant today.


For
Post by Faris Jawad
the indigenous people of Africa, India, Asia, Middle East and others, the
promises of freedom quickly evaporated and were replaced by colonial rule.
Rather than show remorse towards such atrocities, the West could only
gloat at its achievements.
False. The west gave the world representative democratic government. Those
who did not adopt democracy were victims of their own extremist customs and
corruption.
Post by Faris Jawad
Technologies such as cannons, pistols, steam engines, machine guns,
airplanes, mustard gas. etc, only hastened the acquisition of colonies and
the exploitation of its people.
I constitutional democratic goverment based on human rights, lethal
technologies are not used only for the benefit of one religion or political
party. Thus exploitation is minimized.


Resistance offered by the natives towards
Post by Faris Jawad
their colonial masters was met by brute force - often resulting in the
destruction of entire communities. When the West was not destroying the
natives they were too busy annihilating each other in a desperate bid to
cling on to their precious colonies. World Wars I and II are prime
examples of the destructive nature of western values.
This is a description of the Old World, where countries like England,
France, and Germany built empires and accumulated immense wealth on the
death and destruction of millions of innocent people. Is the New World
(America leading the West) any different today?
What an ignorant fool.comparing monarchies to American pluralistic
democracy.
Post by Faris Jawad
Take the example of the New World and its relationship with Afghanistan
and Iraq. Liberation has become occupation; democracy has given way to
colonial rule, devastation is termed as precision bombing and the
slaughter of innocent Muslims is described as collateral damage.
Terrorist and fascist propaganda neglecting the successful elections in both
Afghanistan and Iraq.in which millions of people risked their lives by
voting for their government.


Meanwhile, American and
Post by Faris Jawad
British oil companies are queuing up to exploit the oil wells of Iraq and
transport the energy reserves of the Caspian Sea to Europe via
Afghanistan.
Incorrect. Iraq's oil wells are nationally owned.
Post by Faris Jawad
The Islamic Caliphate in the past never treated mankind in such a barbaric
fashion. Neither did the Caliphate spread Islam by force, nor destroy
civilizations. When Islam spread to Egypt, many Coptic Christians did not
embrace Islam, and today they still number approximately 7 million.
Likewise, when India was opened up to Islam, the inhabitants were not
coerced into accepting Islam. India today has a population of more than
750 million Hindus.
Categoric lies by a shamless moslem.
Post by Faris Jawad
Today the world has more to fear from the destructive nature of western
values than WMD in the hands of Muslims. In the past these values were
enforced upon nations either through direct colonial rule or through
tyrannical regimes loyal to the West. Presently, the greatest
danger-facing mankind is the constant threat of the West imposing its
values on the rest of the world through its own WMD.
The west is based on human rights and representative government. The moslem
caliphate is a fascist dictatorship.
Col. Mortimer
2005-07-12 19:38:50 UTC
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Why westernize when they can ber Dresdenized?
trs-80
2005-07-13 07:09:35 UTC
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You sick inhuman fuck. Statements like that show what a worthless patehtic
coward you are.

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