Discussion:
Howard Dean
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Common ?
2003-12-17 00:12:09 UTC
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HOWARD DEAN PROMISED THAT IF HE IS ELECTED
PRESIDENT, THE UNITED STATES WILL NO LONGER
SUPPORT ISRAEL THE WAY IT HAS IN THE PAST
UNDER BOTH DEMOCRATIC AND REPUBLICAN
PRESIDENTS.
IN HIS OWN WORDS HE WILL INSIST THAT THE
UNITED STATES BE "EVEN HANDED" . THIS IS A
TERM REGULARLY EMPLOYED BY ARAFAT AND HIS
COTERIE OF ADHERENTS THAT MEANS TO BE
ANTI-ISRAEL!!
GOVERNOR DEAN MADE THESE COMMENTS ON CNN
ON SEPTEMBER 10,2003 ON THE WOLF BLITZER
SHOW. HE HAS REPEATED THOSE WORDS SINCE.
IF THIS WERE NOT ENOUGH, GOVERNOR DEAN ON
THAT SAME SHOW CHARACTERIZED THE HAMAS
TERRORISTS AS "SOLDIERS".
FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE 9/11 WE HAVE SOMEONE
RUNNING FOR THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES CALLING TERRORISTS SOLDIERS.
I URGE YOU THAT IF YOU HAVE ANY LOVE FOR
AMERICA AND ISRAEL YOU SHOULD NOT AND CANNOT
VOTE FOR HOWARD DEAN FOR THE OFFICE OF
PRESIDENT.
THIS COMING ELECTION MAY VERY WELL BE ONE OF
THE MOST IMPORTANT IN DECADES.
PLEASE PASS THIS MESSAGE ON TO AS MANY OF
YOUR FAMILY AND FRIENDS AS YOU CAN.
TonyaK911
2003-12-17 00:19:57 UTC
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Post by Common ?
HOWARD DEAN PROMISED THAT IF HE IS ELECTED
PRESIDENT, THE UNITED STATES WILL NO LONGER
SUPPORT ISRAEL THE WAY IT HAS IN THE PAST
UNDER BOTH DEMOCRATIC AND REPUBLICAN
PRESIDENTS.
IN HIS OWN WORDS HE WILL INSIST THAT THE
UNITED STATES BE "EVEN HANDED" . THIS IS A
TERM REGULARLY EMPLOYED BY ARAFAT AND HIS
COTERIE OF ADHERENTS THAT MEANS TO BE
ANTI-ISRAEL!!
GOVERNOR DEAN MADE THESE COMMENTS ON CNN
ON SEPTEMBER 10,2003 ON THE WOLF BLITZER
SHOW. HE HAS REPEATED THOSE WORDS SINCE.
IF THIS WERE NOT ENOUGH, GOVERNOR DEAN ON
THAT SAME SHOW CHARACTERIZED THE HAMAS
TERRORISTS AS "SOLDIERS".
FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE 9/11 WE HAVE SOMEONE
RUNNING FOR THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES CALLING TERRORISTS SOLDIERS.
I URGE YOU THAT IF YOU HAVE ANY LOVE FOR
AMERICA AND ISRAEL YOU SHOULD NOT AND CANNOT
VOTE FOR HOWARD DEAN FOR THE OFFICE OF
PRESIDENT.
THIS COMING ELECTION MAY VERY WELL BE ONE OF
THE MOST IMPORTANT IN DECADES.
PLEASE PASS THIS MESSAGE ON TO AS MANY OF
YOUR FAMILY AND FRIENDS AS YOU CAN.
You are absolutely correct, my friend.
The sad side of this story though is: liberal American Jews will once again
convince themselves that their loyalty to the Left causes are more important
than Israel (anyway, it's their third priority, you know...)

Here's a simple test. Why don't you ask Susan Cohen, who often posts here:
if she were to face the choice between voting for George Bush (whom she
already called "Hitler") or for Howard Dean (whose election would spell the
end of American support for Israel) - FOR WHOM WOULD SHE RATHER VOTE?

Sad.

TK9
Jan Pieter Verhey
2003-12-17 00:29:31 UTC
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Post by TonyaK911
Post by Common ?
HOWARD DEAN PROMISED THAT IF HE IS ELECTED
PRESIDENT, THE UNITED STATES WILL NO LONGER
SUPPORT ISRAEL THE WAY IT HAS IN THE PAST
UNDER BOTH DEMOCRATIC AND REPUBLICAN
PRESIDENTS.
IN HIS OWN WORDS HE WILL INSIST THAT THE
UNITED STATES BE "EVEN HANDED" . THIS IS A
TERM REGULARLY EMPLOYED BY ARAFAT AND HIS
COTERIE OF ADHERENTS THAT MEANS TO BE
ANTI-ISRAEL!!
GOVERNOR DEAN MADE THESE COMMENTS ON CNN
ON SEPTEMBER 10,2003 ON THE WOLF BLITZER
SHOW. HE HAS REPEATED THOSE WORDS SINCE.
IF THIS WERE NOT ENOUGH, GOVERNOR DEAN ON
THAT SAME SHOW CHARACTERIZED THE HAMAS
TERRORISTS AS "SOLDIERS".
FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE 9/11 WE HAVE SOMEONE
RUNNING FOR THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES CALLING TERRORISTS SOLDIERS.
I URGE YOU THAT IF YOU HAVE ANY LOVE FOR
AMERICA AND ISRAEL YOU SHOULD NOT AND CANNOT
VOTE FOR HOWARD DEAN FOR THE OFFICE OF
PRESIDENT.
THIS COMING ELECTION MAY VERY WELL BE ONE OF
THE MOST IMPORTANT IN DECADES.
PLEASE PASS THIS MESSAGE ON TO AS MANY OF
YOUR FAMILY AND FRIENDS AS YOU CAN.
You are absolutely correct, my friend.
The sad side of this story though is: liberal American Jews will once again
convince themselves that their loyalty to the Left causes are more important
than Israel (anyway, it's their third priority, you know...)
if she were to face the choice between voting for George Bush (whom she
already called "Hitler") or for Howard Dean (whose election would spell the
end of American support for Israel) - FOR WHOM WOULD SHE RATHER VOTE?
Sad.
Well, TK, I agree with you and the poster on Dean. Lets stick with Bush.

God=Good
and makes us hope in ages
and work in minutes.
TonyaK911
2003-12-17 00:42:09 UTC
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Post by TonyaK911
Post by TonyaK911
Post by Common ?
HOWARD DEAN PROMISED THAT IF HE IS ELECTED
PRESIDENT, THE UNITED STATES WILL NO LONGER
SUPPORT ISRAEL THE WAY IT HAS IN THE PAST
UNDER BOTH DEMOCRATIC AND REPUBLICAN
PRESIDENTS.
IN HIS OWN WORDS HE WILL INSIST THAT THE
UNITED STATES BE "EVEN HANDED" . THIS IS A
TERM REGULARLY EMPLOYED BY ARAFAT AND HIS
COTERIE OF ADHERENTS THAT MEANS TO BE
ANTI-ISRAEL!!
GOVERNOR DEAN MADE THESE COMMENTS ON CNN
ON SEPTEMBER 10,2003 ON THE WOLF BLITZER
SHOW. HE HAS REPEATED THOSE WORDS SINCE.
IF THIS WERE NOT ENOUGH, GOVERNOR DEAN ON
THAT SAME SHOW CHARACTERIZED THE HAMAS
TERRORISTS AS "SOLDIERS".
FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE 9/11 WE HAVE SOMEONE
RUNNING FOR THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES CALLING TERRORISTS SOLDIERS.
I URGE YOU THAT IF YOU HAVE ANY LOVE FOR
AMERICA AND ISRAEL YOU SHOULD NOT AND CANNOT
VOTE FOR HOWARD DEAN FOR THE OFFICE OF
PRESIDENT.
THIS COMING ELECTION MAY VERY WELL BE ONE OF
THE MOST IMPORTANT IN DECADES.
PLEASE PASS THIS MESSAGE ON TO AS MANY OF
YOUR FAMILY AND FRIENDS AS YOU CAN.
You are absolutely correct, my friend.
The sad side of this story though is: liberal American Jews will once
again
Post by TonyaK911
convince themselves that their loyalty to the Left causes are more
important
Post by TonyaK911
than Israel (anyway, it's their third priority, you know...)
if she were to face the choice between voting for George Bush (whom she
already called "Hitler") or for Howard Dean (whose election would spell
the
Post by TonyaK911
end of American support for Israel) - FOR WHOM WOULD SHE RATHER VOTE?
Sad.
Well, TK, I agree with you and the poster on Dean. Lets stick with Bush.
God=Good
and makes us hope in ages
and work in minutes.
Well, Jan Pieter, you never fail to surprise me!
I just hope you are not going to submit tomorrow some other post with an
opposite view ;)))
Thanx.
Regards,
TK9
Jan Pieter Verhey
2003-12-17 15:16:07 UTC
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Post by TonyaK911
Post by TonyaK911
Post by Common ?
HOWARD DEAN PROMISED THAT IF HE IS ELECTED
PRESIDENT, THE UNITED STATES WILL NO LONGER
SUPPORT ISRAEL THE WAY IT HAS IN THE PAST
UNDER BOTH DEMOCRATIC AND REPUBLICAN
PRESIDENTS.
IN HIS OWN WORDS HE WILL INSIST THAT THE
UNITED STATES BE "EVEN HANDED" . THIS IS A
TERM REGULARLY EMPLOYED BY ARAFAT AND HIS
COTERIE OF ADHERENTS THAT MEANS TO BE
ANTI-ISRAEL!!
GOVERNOR DEAN MADE THESE COMMENTS ON CNN
ON SEPTEMBER 10,2003 ON THE WOLF BLITZER
SHOW. HE HAS REPEATED THOSE WORDS SINCE.
IF THIS WERE NOT ENOUGH, GOVERNOR DEAN ON
THAT SAME SHOW CHARACTERIZED THE HAMAS
TERRORISTS AS "SOLDIERS".
FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE 9/11 WE HAVE SOMEONE
RUNNING FOR THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES CALLING TERRORISTS SOLDIERS.
I URGE YOU THAT IF YOU HAVE ANY LOVE FOR
AMERICA AND ISRAEL YOU SHOULD NOT AND CANNOT
VOTE FOR HOWARD DEAN FOR THE OFFICE OF
PRESIDENT.
THIS COMING ELECTION MAY VERY WELL BE ONE OF
THE MOST IMPORTANT IN DECADES.
PLEASE PASS THIS MESSAGE ON TO AS MANY OF
YOUR FAMILY AND FRIENDS AS YOU CAN.
You are absolutely correct, my friend.
The sad side of this story though is: liberal American Jews will once
again
Post by TonyaK911
convince themselves that their loyalty to the Left causes are more
important
Post by TonyaK911
than Israel (anyway, it's their third priority, you know...)
Here's a simple test. Why don't you ask Susan Cohen, who often posts
if she were to face the choice between voting for George Bush (whom she
already called "Hitler") or for Howard Dean (whose election would spell
the
Post by TonyaK911
end of American support for Israel) - FOR WHOM WOULD SHE RATHER VOTE?
Sad.
Well, TK, I agree with you and the poster on Dean. Lets stick with Bush.
God=Good
and makes us hope in ages
and work in minutes.
Well, Jan Pieter, you never fail to surprise me!
I just hope you are not going to submit tomorrow some other post with an
opposite view ;)))
In the rare occasion I change my mind.. I'll give a warning in advance.;)

cheerzz
Post by TonyaK911
Thanx.
Regards,
TK9
Josh Rosenbluth
2003-12-17 18:42:40 UTC
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Post by Common ?
HOWARD DEAN PROMISED THAT IF HE IS ELECTED
PRESIDENT, THE UNITED STATES WILL NO LONGER
SUPPORT ISRAEL THE WAY IT HAS IN THE PAST
UNDER BOTH DEMOCRATIC AND REPUBLICAN
PRESIDENTS.
IN HIS OWN WORDS HE WILL INSIST THAT THE
UNITED STATES BE "EVEN HANDED" . THIS IS A
TERM REGULARLY EMPLOYED BY ARAFAT AND HIS
COTERIE OF ADHERENTS THAT MEANS TO BE
ANTI-ISRAEL!!
GOVERNOR DEAN MADE THESE COMMENTS ON CNN
ON SEPTEMBER 10,2003 ON THE WOLF BLITZER
SHOW. HE HAS REPEATED THOSE WORDS SINCE.
IF THIS WERE NOT ENOUGH, GOVERNOR DEAN ON
THAT SAME SHOW CHARACTERIZED THE HAMAS
TERRORISTS AS "SOLDIERS".
FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE 9/11 WE HAVE SOMEONE
RUNNING FOR THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES CALLING TERRORISTS SOLDIERS.
I URGE YOU THAT IF YOU HAVE ANY LOVE FOR
AMERICA AND ISRAEL YOU SHOULD NOT AND CANNOT
VOTE FOR HOWARD DEAN FOR THE OFFICE OF
PRESIDENT.
THIS COMING ELECTION MAY VERY WELL BE ONE OF
THE MOST IMPORTANT IN DECADES.
PLEASE PASS THIS MESSAGE ON TO AS MANY OF
YOUR FAMILY AND FRIENDS AS YOU CAN.
You are absolutely correct, my friend.
The sad side of this story though is: liberal American Jews will once again
convince themselves that their loyalty to the Left causes are more important
than Israel (anyway, it's their third priority, you know...)
What a piece of crap these charges against Dean are.

His full quote: "There is a war going on in the Middle East, and
members of Hamas are soldiers in that war, and, therefore, it seems to
me that they are going to be casualties if they are going to make
war." Dean is SUPPORTING Israel's right to extra-judicial killings of
Hamas members. He is NOT elevating or legitimizing them.

Dean says he wants to be even-handed, which is an extension of Clinton
policy. But the above screed wants you to believe Dean is speaking in
"secret code" for the destruction of Israel and is changing American
policy. Utter nonsense.

If you don't like Dean's Israel policy because you don't like
Clinton's either, then say so. Don't hide your belief behind
disgusting, fear-mongering lies.

Josh Rosenbluth
TonyaK911
2003-12-17 19:44:46 UTC
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Post by TonyaK911
Post by Common ?
HOWARD DEAN PROMISED THAT IF HE IS ELECTED
PRESIDENT, THE UNITED STATES WILL NO LONGER
SUPPORT ISRAEL THE WAY IT HAS IN THE PAST
UNDER BOTH DEMOCRATIC AND REPUBLICAN
PRESIDENTS.
IN HIS OWN WORDS HE WILL INSIST THAT THE
UNITED STATES BE "EVEN HANDED" . THIS IS A
TERM REGULARLY EMPLOYED BY ARAFAT AND HIS
COTERIE OF ADHERENTS THAT MEANS TO BE
ANTI-ISRAEL!!
GOVERNOR DEAN MADE THESE COMMENTS ON CNN
ON SEPTEMBER 10,2003 ON THE WOLF BLITZER
SHOW. HE HAS REPEATED THOSE WORDS SINCE.
IF THIS WERE NOT ENOUGH, GOVERNOR DEAN ON
THAT SAME SHOW CHARACTERIZED THE HAMAS
TERRORISTS AS "SOLDIERS".
FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE 9/11 WE HAVE SOMEONE
RUNNING FOR THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES CALLING TERRORISTS SOLDIERS.
I URGE YOU THAT IF YOU HAVE ANY LOVE FOR
AMERICA AND ISRAEL YOU SHOULD NOT AND CANNOT
VOTE FOR HOWARD DEAN FOR THE OFFICE OF
PRESIDENT.
THIS COMING ELECTION MAY VERY WELL BE ONE OF
THE MOST IMPORTANT IN DECADES.
PLEASE PASS THIS MESSAGE ON TO AS MANY OF
YOUR FAMILY AND FRIENDS AS YOU CAN.
You are absolutely correct, my friend.
The sad side of this story though is: liberal American Jews will once again
convince themselves that their loyalty to the Left causes are more important
than Israel (anyway, it's their third priority, you know...)
What a piece of crap these charges against Dean are.
His full quote: "There is a war going on in the Middle East, and
members of Hamas are soldiers in that war, and, therefore, it seems to
me that they are going to be casualties if they are going to make
war." Dean is SUPPORTING Israel's right to extra-judicial killings of
Hamas members. He is NOT elevating or legitimizing them.
Dean says he wants to be even-handed, which is an extension of Clinton
policy. But the above screed wants you to believe Dean is speaking in
"secret code" for the destruction of Israel and is changing American
policy. Utter nonsense.
If you don't like Dean's Israel policy because you don't like
Clinton's either, then say so. Don't hide your belief behind
disgusting, fear-mongering lies.
Josh Rosenbluth
So, are you saying Howard Dean did NOT declared that United States should be
"even handed" in the Arab-Israeli conflict [contrary what the previous
administration's tilt toward Israeli security first]?
Are you saying that Howard Dean did not make this statement on the Sep 10,
03 CNN show with W. Blitzer???

Now, that's what we should call "rosenbluth hutzpah..."

Sad.

TK9
Josh Rosenbluth
2003-12-17 22:08:48 UTC
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Post by Josh Rosenbluth
HOWARD DEAN PROMISED THAT IF HE IS ELECTED PRESIDENT, THE
UNITED STATES WILL NO LONGER SUPPORT ISRAEL THE WAY IT HAS IN
THE PAST UNDER BOTH DEMOCRATIC AND REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTS. IN
HIS OWN WORDS HE WILL INSIST THAT THE UNITED STATES BE "EVEN
HANDED" . THIS IS A TERM REGULARLY EMPLOYED BY ARAFAT AND HIS
COTERIE OF ADHERENTS THAT MEANS TO BE ANTI-ISRAEL!! GOVERNOR
DEAN MADE THESE COMMENTS ON CNN ON SEPTEMBER 10,2003 ON THE
WOLF BLITZER SHOW. HE HAS REPEATED THOSE WORDS SINCE. IF THIS
WERE NOT ENOUGH, GOVERNOR DEAN ON THAT SAME SHOW CHARACTERIZED
THE HAMAS TERRORISTS AS "SOLDIERS". FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE
9/11 WE HAVE SOMEONE RUNNING FOR THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES CALLING TERRORISTS SOLDIERS. I URGE YOU THAT IF
YOU HAVE ANY LOVE FOR AMERICA AND ISRAEL YOU SHOULD NOT AND
CANNOT VOTE FOR HOWARD DEAN FOR THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENT. THIS
COMING ELECTION MAY VERY WELL BE ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT IN
DECADES. PLEASE PASS THIS MESSAGE ON TO AS MANY OF YOUR FAMILY
AND FRIENDS AS YOU CAN.
You are absolutely correct, my friend. The sad side of this story
though is: liberal American Jews will once again
convince themselves that their loyalty to the Left causes are more important
than Israel (anyway, it's their third priority, you know...)
What a piece of crap these charges against Dean are.
His full quote: "There is a war going on in the Middle East, and
members of Hamas are soldiers in that war, and, therefore, it seems
to me that they are going to be casualties if they are going to
make war." Dean is SUPPORTING Israel's right to extra-judicial
killings of Hamas members. He is NOT elevating or legitimizing
them.
Dean says he wants to be even-handed, which is an extension of
Clinton policy. But the above screed wants you to believe Dean is
speaking in "secret code" for the destruction of Israel and is
changing American policy. Utter nonsense.
If you don't like Dean's Israel policy because you don't like
Clinton's either, then say so. Don't hide your belief behind
disgusting, fear-mongering lies.
So, are you saying Howard Dean did NOT declared that United States
should be "even handed" in the Arab-Israeli conflict [contrary what
the previous administration's tilt toward Israeli security first]?
Are you saying that Howard Dean did not make this statement on the
Sep 10, 03 CNN show with W. Blitzer???
Firstly, your silence is noted about the above crap on Dean calling
Hamas soldiers. The full quote sets the record straight.

Secondly, the Clinton administration did not have an Israeli-security
first policy. They had an even-handed policy (Taba). The above crap
says that "even-handed" is code for the destruction of Israel. That's
disgraceful.

Josh Rosenbluth
TonyaK911
2003-12-17 22:47:18 UTC
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Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by TonyaK911
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
HOWARD DEAN PROMISED THAT IF HE IS ELECTED PRESIDENT, THE
UNITED STATES WILL NO LONGER SUPPORT ISRAEL THE WAY IT HAS IN
THE PAST UNDER BOTH DEMOCRATIC AND REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTS. IN
HIS OWN WORDS HE WILL INSIST THAT THE UNITED STATES BE "EVEN
HANDED" . THIS IS A TERM REGULARLY EMPLOYED BY ARAFAT AND HIS
COTERIE OF ADHERENTS THAT MEANS TO BE ANTI-ISRAEL!! GOVERNOR
DEAN MADE THESE COMMENTS ON CNN ON SEPTEMBER 10,2003 ON THE
WOLF BLITZER SHOW. HE HAS REPEATED THOSE WORDS SINCE. IF THIS
WERE NOT ENOUGH, GOVERNOR DEAN ON THAT SAME SHOW CHARACTERIZED
THE HAMAS TERRORISTS AS "SOLDIERS". FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE
9/11 WE HAVE SOMEONE RUNNING FOR THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES CALLING TERRORISTS SOLDIERS. I URGE YOU THAT IF
YOU HAVE ANY LOVE FOR AMERICA AND ISRAEL YOU SHOULD NOT AND
CANNOT VOTE FOR HOWARD DEAN FOR THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENT. THIS
COMING ELECTION MAY VERY WELL BE ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT IN
DECADES. PLEASE PASS THIS MESSAGE ON TO AS MANY OF YOUR FAMILY
AND FRIENDS AS YOU CAN.
You are absolutely correct, my friend. The sad side of this story
though is: liberal American Jews will once again
convince themselves that their loyalty to the Left causes are more important
than Israel (anyway, it's their third priority, you know...)
What a piece of crap these charges against Dean are.
His full quote: "There is a war going on in the Middle East, and
members of Hamas are soldiers in that war, and, therefore, it seems
to me that they are going to be casualties if they are going to
make war." Dean is SUPPORTING Israel's right to extra-judicial
killings of Hamas members. He is NOT elevating or legitimizing
them.
Dean says he wants to be even-handed, which is an extension of
Clinton policy. But the above screed wants you to believe Dean is
speaking in "secret code" for the destruction of Israel and is
changing American policy. Utter nonsense.
If you don't like Dean's Israel policy because you don't like
Clinton's either, then say so. Don't hide your belief behind
disgusting, fear-mongering lies.
So, are you saying Howard Dean did NOT declared that United States
should be "even handed" in the Arab-Israeli conflict [contrary what
the previous administration's tilt toward Israeli security first]?
Are you saying that Howard Dean did not make this statement on the
Sep 10, 03 CNN show with W. Blitzer???
Firstly, your silence is noted about the above crap on Dean calling
Hamas soldiers. The full quote sets the record straight.
Secondly, the Clinton administration did not have an Israeli-security
first policy. They had an even-handed policy (Taba). The above crap
says that "even-handed" is code for the destruction of Israel. That's
disgraceful.
Josh Rosenbluth
"United States should not take sides in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict."
- Howard Dean, September 9 Democratic debate.

Translation for the illiterate: when one side is perpetrating acts of terror
and the other side retaliates against the terrorists, we should not take
sides!

"I would prefer and strongly speak out against violence of any kind in the
Middle East. That's what I mean by being even-handed. Somebody asked me --
even-handed was a poor choice of words, as I now find out."
- Dean's exact words from CNN's transcript

Screw the choice of words, Dean! We perfectly well understand what you're
saying: when one side is perpetrating acts of terror and the other side
retaliates against the terrorists, we will be condemning both sides for
"violence"!

I recall how The Los Angeles Times blamed Sharon for the upsurge in
violence, calling his visit to the Temple Mount "recklessly provocative."
Can you see how Howard Dean would condemn the Israeli PM for "provoking
violence" by visiting a location in the center of the capital of Israel?
That would be even-handed, according to "palestinian" propagandists.

Here's what was posted on the "Patriots for the Defense of America" web site
http://defenseofamerica.org/victory/day5/

Justice Demands Supporting Israel Against the Palestinian Authority

Justice demands that a nation support its allies and oppose its enemies. For
a free nation, justice means opposing terrorists and tyrants, and supporting
other free nations which fight against them.

Yet today's foreign policy practices justice inconsistently, as can be seen
in American policy on the Arab-Israeli war. America has pursued an
"even-handed" policy towards the Israeli government and the Palestinian
Authority, sometimes supporting Israel's defense, always condemning
Palestinian terrorism, but always calling for more "peace" talks and for a
sovereign Palestinian state. The injustice of this policy is that it treats
Israel and the Palestinians as moral equals.

The truth is that Israel is the only free nation in the Middle East,
allowing freedom of the press, religion, and elections, and allowing Arabs
and Muslims to live peacefully as Israeli citizens. Israel only attacks
identified terrorist targets, since its only military goal is its own
defense.

By contrast, the Palestinian culture condones the deliberate mass slaughter
of innocent Israelis, glorifying suicide bombers in their schools,
television shows, and even children's games. The Palestinian Authority, led
by arch-terrorist Arafat, seeks the destruction of Israel.

Instead of being "even-handed", America ought to recognize Israel as its
most important ally against terrorism, and Arafat and the PA as the
equivalents of bin Laden and the Taliban. Most importantly, America must
oppose a Palestinian state-which would reward the Palestinian terrorists for
decades of murder by granting their central demand.
Josh Rosenbluth
2003-12-17 23:17:32 UTC
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Post by Josh Rosenbluth
HOWARD DEAN PROMISED THAT IF HE IS ELECTED PRESIDENT, THE
UNITED STATES WILL NO LONGER SUPPORT ISRAEL THE WAY IT HAS IN
THE PAST UNDER BOTH DEMOCRATIC AND REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTS. IN
HIS OWN WORDS HE WILL INSIST THAT THE UNITED STATES BE "EVEN
HANDED" . THIS IS A TERM REGULARLY EMPLOYED BY ARAFAT AND HIS
COTERIE OF ADHERENTS THAT MEANS TO BE ANTI-ISRAEL!! GOVERNOR
DEAN MADE THESE COMMENTS ON CNN ON SEPTEMBER 10,2003 ON THE
WOLF BLITZER SHOW. HE HAS REPEATED THOSE WORDS SINCE. IF THIS
WERE NOT ENOUGH, GOVERNOR DEAN ON THAT SAME SHOW CHARACTERIZED
THE HAMAS TERRORISTS AS "SOLDIERS". FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE
9/11 WE HAVE SOMEONE RUNNING FOR THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES CALLING TERRORISTS SOLDIERS. I URGE YOU THAT IF
YOU HAVE ANY LOVE FOR AMERICA AND ISRAEL YOU SHOULD NOT AND
CANNOT VOTE FOR HOWARD DEAN FOR THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENT. THIS
COMING ELECTION MAY VERY WELL BE ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT IN
DECADES. PLEASE PASS THIS MESSAGE ON TO AS MANY OF YOUR FAMILY
AND FRIENDS AS YOU CAN.
You are absolutely correct, my friend. The sad side of this story
though is: liberal American Jews will once again
convince themselves that their loyalty to the Left causes are more important
than Israel (anyway, it's their third priority, you know...)
What a piece of crap these charges against Dean are.
His full quote: "There is a war going on in the Middle East, and
members of Hamas are soldiers in that war, and, therefore, it seems
to me that they are going to be casualties if they are going to
make war." Dean is SUPPORTING Israel's right to extra-judicial
killings of Hamas members. He is NOT elevating or legitimizing
them.
Dean says he wants to be even-handed, which is an extension of
Clinton policy. But the above screed wants you to believe Dean is
speaking in "secret code" for the destruction of Israel and is
changing American policy. Utter nonsense.
If you don't like Dean's Israel policy because you don't like
Clinton's either, then say so. Don't hide your belief behind
disgusting, fear-mongering lies.
[Much posting snipped without loss of content.]
Post by TonyaK911
Instead of being "even-handed", America ought to recognize Israel as its
most important ally against terrorism, and Arafat and the PA as the
equivalents of bin Laden and the Taliban. Most importantly, America must
oppose a Palestinian state-which would reward the Palestinian terrorists for
decades of murder by granting their central demand.
At least you are being truthful, which cannot be said for the original
garbage.

Josh Rosenbluth
TonyaK911
2003-12-17 23:25:33 UTC
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Post by TonyaK911
Instead of being "even-handed", America ought to recognize Israel as its
most important ally against terrorism, and Arafat and the PA as the
equivalents of bin Laden and the Taliban. Most importantly, America must
oppose a Palestinian state-which would reward the Palestinian terrorists for
decades of murder by granting their central demand.
At least you are being truthful, which cannot be said for the original
garbage.
- which cannot be said for the original garbage Howard Dean is trying to
present in his desperate attempt to look "presidential."

Jews have no excuse for voting Howard Dean!

TK9
Josh Rosenbluth
2003-12-17 23:31:12 UTC
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Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by TonyaK911
Instead of being "even-handed", America ought to recognize Israel
as its most important ally against terrorism, and Arafat and the
PA as the equivalents of bin Laden and the Taliban. Most
importantly, America must oppose a Palestinian state-which would
reward the Palestinian terrorists for
decades of murder by granting their central demand.
At least you are being truthful, which cannot be said for the
original garbage.
- which cannot be said for the original garbage Howard Dean is trying
to present in his desperate attempt to look "presidential."
And what would that garbage be?
Post by TonyaK911
Jews have no excuse for voting Howard Dean!
If they support a two-state solution, and find Dean's other positions
preferable to Bush, voting for him makes perfect sense.

Josh Rosenbluth
TonyaK911
2003-12-17 23:49:39 UTC
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Post by TonyaK911
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by TonyaK911
Instead of being "even-handed", America ought to recognize Israel
as its most important ally against terrorism, and Arafat and the
PA as the equivalents of bin Laden and the Taliban. Most
importantly, America must oppose a Palestinian state-which would
reward the Palestinian terrorists for
decades of murder by granting their central demand.
At least you are being truthful, which cannot be said for the
original garbage.
- which cannot be said for the original garbage Howard Dean is trying
to present in his desperate attempt to look "presidential."
And what would that garbage be?
Dean's slogans about equal treatment for Israel and PA might make a good
sense to fake Jewish mamzers, but not to those of us for whom security of
Israel is the matter of the highest priority.
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by TonyaK911
Jews have no excuse for voting Howard Dean!
If they support a two-state solution, and find Dean's other positions
preferable to Bush, voting for him makes perfect sense.
See my post "ONE ALTERNATIVE TO TWO STATES SOLUTION" in these NGs and the
discussion in that thread, to understand why the two state solution is but a
liberal self-deception.
The rest of Howard Dean positions are designed to set the United States in
retreat in the face of advancing Islamic enemy, and to put our political and
military decisions under control of UN and Eurodummies.

American Jews are smarter than what you think of them!

TK9
Bill Levinson
2003-12-18 01:05:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by TonyaK911
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by TonyaK911
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by TonyaK911
Instead of being "even-handed", America ought to recognize Israel
as its most important ally against terrorism, and Arafat and the
PA as the equivalents of bin Laden and the Taliban. Most
importantly, America must oppose a Palestinian state-which would
reward the Palestinian terrorists for
decades of murder by granting their central demand.
At least you are being truthful, which cannot be said for the
original garbage.
- which cannot be said for the original garbage Howard Dean is trying
to present in his desperate attempt to look "presidential."
And what would that garbage be?
Dean's slogans about equal treatment for Israel and PA might make a good
sense to fake Jewish mamzers, but not to those of us for whom security of
Israel is the matter of the highest priority.
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by TonyaK911
Jews have no excuse for voting Howard Dean!
If they support a two-state solution, and find Dean's other positions
preferable to Bush, voting for him makes perfect sense.
See my post "ONE ALTERNATIVE TO TWO STATES SOLUTION" in these NGs and the
discussion in that thread, to understand why the two state solution is but a
liberal self-deception.
The rest of Howard Dean positions are designed to set the United States in
retreat in the face of advancing Islamic enemy, and to put our political and
military decisions under control of UN and Eurodummies.
Does Dean say the U.S. should subordinate its foreign policy to the
United Nations? If so, I'd come close to calling him a traitor, except
that high treason consists only in levying war against the U.S. or
giving aid and comfort to its [declared] enemies.


--Bill

http://www.omdurman.org/
TonyaK911
2003-12-18 01:10:14 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bill Levinson
Post by TonyaK911
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by TonyaK911
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by TonyaK911
Instead of being "even-handed", America ought to recognize Israel
as its most important ally against terrorism, and Arafat and the
PA as the equivalents of bin Laden and the Taliban. Most
importantly, America must oppose a Palestinian state-which would
reward the Palestinian terrorists for
decades of murder by granting their central demand.
At least you are being truthful, which cannot be said for the
original garbage.
- which cannot be said for the original garbage Howard Dean is trying
to present in his desperate attempt to look "presidential."
And what would that garbage be?
Dean's slogans about equal treatment for Israel and PA might make a good
sense to fake Jewish mamzers, but not to those of us for whom security of
Israel is the matter of the highest priority.
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by TonyaK911
Jews have no excuse for voting Howard Dean!
If they support a two-state solution, and find Dean's other positions
preferable to Bush, voting for him makes perfect sense.
See my post "ONE ALTERNATIVE TO TWO STATES SOLUTION" in these NGs and the
discussion in that thread, to understand why the two state solution is but a
liberal self-deception.
The rest of Howard Dean positions are designed to set the United States in
retreat in the face of advancing Islamic enemy, and to put our political and
military decisions under control of UN and Eurodummies.
Does Dean say the U.S. should subordinate its foreign policy to the
United Nations? If so, I'd come close to calling him a traitor, except
that high treason consists only in levying war against the U.S. or
giving aid and comfort to its [declared] enemies.
--Bill
He and the rest of the nine dwarfs call it "to work within the framework of
the United Nations."

TK9
Bill Levinson
2003-12-18 01:27:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by TonyaK911
Post by Bill Levinson
Post by TonyaK911
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by TonyaK911
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by TonyaK911
Instead of being "even-handed", America ought to recognize Israel
as its most important ally against terrorism, and Arafat and the
PA as the equivalents of bin Laden and the Taliban. Most
importantly, America must oppose a Palestinian state-which would
reward the Palestinian terrorists for
decades of murder by granting their central demand.
At least you are being truthful, which cannot be said for the
original garbage.
- which cannot be said for the original garbage Howard Dean is trying
to present in his desperate attempt to look "presidential."
And what would that garbage be?
Dean's slogans about equal treatment for Israel and PA might make a good
sense to fake Jewish mamzers, but not to those of us for whom security
of
Post by Bill Levinson
Post by TonyaK911
Israel is the matter of the highest priority.
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by TonyaK911
Jews have no excuse for voting Howard Dean!
If they support a two-state solution, and find Dean's other positions
preferable to Bush, voting for him makes perfect sense.
See my post "ONE ALTERNATIVE TO TWO STATES SOLUTION" in these NGs and
the
Post by Bill Levinson
Post by TonyaK911
discussion in that thread, to understand why the two state solution is
but a
Post by Bill Levinson
Post by TonyaK911
liberal self-deception.
The rest of Howard Dean positions are designed to set the United States
in
Post by Bill Levinson
Post by TonyaK911
retreat in the face of advancing Islamic enemy, and to put our political
and
Post by Bill Levinson
Post by TonyaK911
military decisions under control of UN and Eurodummies.
Does Dean say the U.S. should subordinate its foreign policy to the
United Nations? If so, I'd come close to calling him a traitor, except
that high treason consists only in levying war against the U.S. or
giving aid and comfort to its [declared] enemies.
--Bill
He and the rest of the nine dwarfs call it "to work within the framework of
the United Nations."
TK9
And I think Snow White (who will doubtlessly step in next year when
Dean's poll ratings go down the toilet) agrees with subordinating the
U.S. to the U.N. This is morally treason if not legally treason.


--Bill

http://www.omdurman.org/
Jan Pieter Verhey
2003-12-18 01:41:51 UTC
Permalink
Post by TonyaK911
Post by Bill Levinson
Post by TonyaK911
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by TonyaK911
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by TonyaK911
Instead of being "even-handed", America ought to recognize Israel
as its most important ally against terrorism, and Arafat and the
PA as the equivalents of bin Laden and the Taliban. Most
importantly, America must oppose a Palestinian state-which would
reward the Palestinian terrorists for
decades of murder by granting their central demand.
At least you are being truthful, which cannot be said for the
original garbage.
- which cannot be said for the original garbage Howard Dean is trying
to present in his desperate attempt to look "presidential."
And what would that garbage be?
Dean's slogans about equal treatment for Israel and PA might make a good
sense to fake Jewish mamzers, but not to those of us for whom security
of
Post by Bill Levinson
Post by TonyaK911
Israel is the matter of the highest priority.
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by TonyaK911
Jews have no excuse for voting Howard Dean!
If they support a two-state solution, and find Dean's other positions
preferable to Bush, voting for him makes perfect sense.
See my post "ONE ALTERNATIVE TO TWO STATES SOLUTION" in these NGs and
the
Post by Bill Levinson
Post by TonyaK911
discussion in that thread, to understand why the two state solution is
but a
Post by Bill Levinson
Post by TonyaK911
liberal self-deception.
The rest of Howard Dean positions are designed to set the United
States
Post by TonyaK911
in
Post by Bill Levinson
Post by TonyaK911
retreat in the face of advancing Islamic enemy, and to put our
political
Post by TonyaK911
and
Post by Bill Levinson
Post by TonyaK911
military decisions under control of UN and Eurodummies.
Does Dean say the U.S. should subordinate its foreign policy to the
United Nations? If so, I'd come close to calling him a traitor, except
that high treason consists only in levying war against the U.S. or
giving aid and comfort to its [declared] enemies.
--Bill
He and the rest of the nine dwarfs call it "to work within the framework of
the United Nations."
You guys forget One Thing: Israel is quite able to make up its own mind and
has the power to shape its own destiny by national decision alone.

That "quartet" is a mere bottox party trying to iron away some cracks and
folds of a road-map that is dead already. The UN is insignificant to the
conflict for decades already. Dan, Dean or George heading the US makes no
difference either, other than in the percpetion of minds.

Its really sad that Israel has sold itself out to the hands of others. It
made achieving peace, or rather final borders that will create peace,
dependent on their arch enemy, that little rat Arafat and his cohords. As
well it made its political moves dependent on the U.S.' approval.

So I repeat: Israel is quite able to make up its own mind and has the power
to shape its own destiny by national decision alone. Ever seen a Prime
Minister of a modern nation travel to Bush, or any other perceived Godhead
how to run its country?
TonyaK911
2003-12-18 01:48:57 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jan Pieter Verhey
Post by TonyaK911
He and the rest of the nine dwarfs call it "to work within the
framework of the United Nations."
You guys forget One Thing: Israel is quite able to make up its own mind and
has the power to shape its own destiny by national decision alone.
That "quartet" is a mere bottox party trying to iron away some cracks and
folds of a road-map that is dead already. The UN is insignificant to the
conflict for decades already. Dan, Dean or George heading the US makes no
difference either, other than in the percpetion of minds.
Hey, Jan Pieter,
How'bout all of us making a deal: we promise to never interfere in the
political life of Netherlands and you will reciprocate by staying away from
things you don't have a slightest idea about?
Do we have a deal?

TK9
Jan Pieter Verhey
2003-12-18 02:12:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by TonyaK911
Post by Jan Pieter Verhey
Post by TonyaK911
He and the rest of the nine dwarfs call it "to work within the
framework of the United Nations."
You guys forget One Thing: Israel is quite able to make up its own mind
and
Post by Jan Pieter Verhey
has the power to shape its own destiny by national decision alone.
That "quartet" is a mere bottox party trying to iron away some cracks and
folds of a road-map that is dead already. The UN is insignificant to the
conflict for decades already. Dan, Dean or George heading the US makes no
difference either, other than in the percpetion of minds.
Hey, Jan Pieter,
How'bout all of us making a deal: we promise to never interfere in the
political life of Netherlands and you will reciprocate by staying away from
things you don't have a slightest idea about?
Do we have a deal?
What happened to you, TK? Not too long ago we had one of those rare moments
of agreement: The Israeli-Arab conflict re. the territories is best resolved
without interferences of foreign entities.

No need to involve the US on any political level such as Sharon is doing
now. The US will always be a staunch supporter of Israel almost no matter
what, i.e. as long as Israel does a fare and legitimiate fight against
agressors and terrorists, which it is doing so far. Perhaps if Israel would
decide to forcefully transfer Arabs into Jorden and Sinai that support might
weaken dramatically, but until that happens..no worries.
TonyaK911
2003-12-18 02:12:41 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jan Pieter Verhey
Post by TonyaK911
Post by Jan Pieter Verhey
Post by TonyaK911
He and the rest of the nine dwarfs call it "to work within the
framework of the United Nations."
You guys forget One Thing: Israel is quite able to make up its own mind
and
Post by Jan Pieter Verhey
has the power to shape its own destiny by national decision alone.
That "quartet" is a mere bottox party trying to iron away some cracks
and
Post by TonyaK911
Post by Jan Pieter Verhey
folds of a road-map that is dead already. The UN is insignificant to the
conflict for decades already. Dan, Dean or George heading the US makes
no
Post by TonyaK911
Post by Jan Pieter Verhey
difference either, other than in the percpetion of minds.
Hey, Jan Pieter,
How'bout all of us making a deal: we promise to never interfere in the
political life of Netherlands and you will reciprocate by staying away
from
Post by TonyaK911
things you don't have a slightest idea about?
Do we have a deal?
What happened to you, TK? Not too long ago we had one of those rare moments
of agreement: The Israeli-Arab conflict re. the territories is best resolved
without interferences of foreign entities.
No need to involve the US on any political level such as Sharon is doing
now. The US will always be a staunch supporter of Israel almost no matter
what, i.e. as long as Israel does a fare and legitimiate fight against
agressors and terrorists, which it is doing so far. Perhaps if Israel would
decide to forcefully transfer Arabs into Jorden and Sinai that support might
weaken dramatically, but until that happens..no worries.
Does that mean - we don't have a deal?
Jan Pieter Verhey
2003-12-18 02:25:15 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jan Pieter Verhey
Post by Jan Pieter Verhey
Post by TonyaK911
Post by Jan Pieter Verhey
Post by TonyaK911
He and the rest of the nine dwarfs call it "to work within the
framework of the United Nations."
You guys forget One Thing: Israel is quite able to make up its own
mind
Post by Jan Pieter Verhey
Post by TonyaK911
and
Post by Jan Pieter Verhey
has the power to shape its own destiny by national decision alone.
That "quartet" is a mere bottox party trying to iron away some cracks
and
Post by TonyaK911
Post by Jan Pieter Verhey
folds of a road-map that is dead already. The UN is insignificant to
the
Post by Jan Pieter Verhey
Post by TonyaK911
Post by Jan Pieter Verhey
conflict for decades already. Dan, Dean or George heading the US makes
no
Post by TonyaK911
Post by Jan Pieter Verhey
difference either, other than in the percpetion of minds.
Hey, Jan Pieter,
How'bout all of us making a deal: we promise to never interfere in the
political life of Netherlands and you will reciprocate by staying away
from
Post by TonyaK911
things you don't have a slightest idea about?
Do we have a deal?
What happened to you, TK? Not too long ago we had one of those rare
moments
Post by Jan Pieter Verhey
of agreement: The Israeli-Arab conflict re. the territories is best
resolved
Post by Jan Pieter Verhey
without interferences of foreign entities.
No need to involve the US on any political level such as Sharon is doing
now. The US will always be a staunch supporter of Israel almost no matter
what, i.e. as long as Israel does a fare and legitimiate fight against
agressors and terrorists, which it is doing so far. Perhaps if Israel
would
Post by Jan Pieter Verhey
decide to forcefully transfer Arabs into Jorden and Sinai that support
might
Post by Jan Pieter Verhey
weaken dramatically, but until that happens..no worries.
Does that mean - we don't have a deal?
I'm not a dealer.
Bill Levinson
2003-12-18 01:04:08 UTC
Permalink
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by TonyaK911
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by TonyaK911
Instead of being "even-handed", America ought to recognize Israel
as its most important ally against terrorism, and Arafat and the
PA as the equivalents of bin Laden and the Taliban. Most
importantly, America must oppose a Palestinian state-which would
reward the Palestinian terrorists for
decades of murder by granting their central demand.
At least you are being truthful, which cannot be said for the
original garbage.
- which cannot be said for the original garbage Howard Dean is trying
to present in his desperate attempt to look "presidential."
And what would that garbage be?
Post by TonyaK911
Jews have no excuse for voting Howard Dean!
If they support a two-state solution,
No. Why create yet another hostile nation full of Islamofascists on
Israel's border?
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
and find Dean's other positions
preferable to Bush,
Inconceivable.

--Bill

http://www.omdurman.org/
Bill Levinson
2003-12-18 01:02:54 UTC
Permalink
Post by TonyaK911
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by TonyaK911
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
HOWARD DEAN PROMISED THAT IF HE IS ELECTED PRESIDENT, THE
UNITED STATES WILL NO LONGER SUPPORT ISRAEL THE WAY IT HAS IN
THE PAST UNDER BOTH DEMOCRATIC AND REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTS. IN
HIS OWN WORDS HE WILL INSIST THAT THE UNITED STATES BE "EVEN
HANDED" . THIS IS A TERM REGULARLY EMPLOYED BY ARAFAT AND HIS
COTERIE OF ADHERENTS THAT MEANS TO BE ANTI-ISRAEL!! GOVERNOR
DEAN MADE THESE COMMENTS ON CNN ON SEPTEMBER 10,2003 ON THE
WOLF BLITZER SHOW. HE HAS REPEATED THOSE WORDS SINCE. IF THIS
WERE NOT ENOUGH, GOVERNOR DEAN ON THAT SAME SHOW CHARACTERIZED
THE HAMAS TERRORISTS AS "SOLDIERS". FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE
9/11 WE HAVE SOMEONE RUNNING FOR THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES CALLING TERRORISTS SOLDIERS. I URGE YOU THAT IF
YOU HAVE ANY LOVE FOR AMERICA AND ISRAEL YOU SHOULD NOT AND
CANNOT VOTE FOR HOWARD DEAN FOR THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENT. THIS
COMING ELECTION MAY VERY WELL BE ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT IN
DECADES. PLEASE PASS THIS MESSAGE ON TO AS MANY OF YOUR FAMILY
AND FRIENDS AS YOU CAN.
You are absolutely correct, my friend. The sad side of this story
though is: liberal American Jews will once again
convince themselves that their loyalty to the Left causes are more important
than Israel (anyway, it's their third priority, you know...)
What a piece of crap these charges against Dean are.
His full quote: "There is a war going on in the Middle East, and
members of Hamas are soldiers in that war, and, therefore, it seems
to me that they are going to be casualties if they are going to
make war." Dean is SUPPORTING Israel's right to extra-judicial
killings of Hamas members. He is NOT elevating or legitimizing
them.
Dean says he wants to be even-handed, which is an extension of
Clinton policy. But the above screed wants you to believe Dean is
speaking in "secret code" for the destruction of Israel and is
changing American policy. Utter nonsense.
If you don't like Dean's Israel policy because you don't like
Clinton's either, then say so. Don't hide your belief behind
disgusting, fear-mongering lies.
So, are you saying Howard Dean did NOT declared that United States
should be "even handed" in the Arab-Israeli conflict [contrary what
the previous administration's tilt toward Israeli security first]?
Are you saying that Howard Dean did not make this statement on the
Sep 10, 03 CNN show with W. Blitzer???
Firstly, your silence is noted about the above crap on Dean calling
Hamas soldiers. The full quote sets the record straight.
Secondly, the Clinton administration did not have an Israeli-security
first policy. They had an even-handed policy (Taba). The above crap
says that "even-handed" is code for the destruction of Israel. That's
disgraceful.
Josh Rosenbluth
"United States should not take sides in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict."
- Howard Dean, September 9 Democratic debate.
Translation for the illiterate: when one side is perpetrating acts of terror
and the other side retaliates against the terrorists, we should not take
sides!
It's known as not standing for anything. I respect someone who stands
for his/her beliefs even if I disagree with him/her. Even King Richard
III, the vilest villain if there ever was one, gets more interest from
the audience than the spineless Henry VI. All Henry VI is mope, whine,
and shift with the wind until Crookback Dickie offs him in the Tower of
London: a mercy killing if there ever was one.

I also admire Prince Jarema Wisniowiecki
(http://www.omdurman.org/hudna.html). He was headstrong and violent but
he also STOOD for something, unlike LibDemoscum like Dean (or Clinton).
Post by TonyaK911
"I would prefer and strongly speak out against violence of any kind in the
Middle East. That's what I mean by being even-handed. Somebody asked me --
even-handed was a poor choice of words, as I now find out."
- Dean's exact words from CNN's transcript
Screw the choice of words, Dean! We perfectly well understand what you're
saying: when one side is perpetrating acts of terror and the other side
retaliates against the terrorists, we will be condemning both sides for
"violence"!
Maybe Dean thinks we should be "even-handed" between violent criminals
and the police officers who arrest them. PFUI!


--Bill

http://www.omdurman.org/
Bill Levinson
2003-12-18 00:58:03 UTC
Permalink
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by TonyaK911
Post by Common ?
HOWARD DEAN PROMISED THAT IF HE IS ELECTED
PRESIDENT, THE UNITED STATES WILL NO LONGER
SUPPORT ISRAEL THE WAY IT HAS IN THE PAST
UNDER BOTH DEMOCRATIC AND REPUBLICAN
PRESIDENTS.
IN HIS OWN WORDS HE WILL INSIST THAT THE
UNITED STATES BE "EVEN HANDED" . THIS IS A
TERM REGULARLY EMPLOYED BY ARAFAT AND HIS
COTERIE OF ADHERENTS THAT MEANS TO BE
ANTI-ISRAEL!!
GOVERNOR DEAN MADE THESE COMMENTS ON CNN
ON SEPTEMBER 10,2003 ON THE WOLF BLITZER
SHOW. HE HAS REPEATED THOSE WORDS SINCE.
IF THIS WERE NOT ENOUGH, GOVERNOR DEAN ON
THAT SAME SHOW CHARACTERIZED THE HAMAS
TERRORISTS AS "SOLDIERS".
FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE 9/11 WE HAVE SOMEONE
RUNNING FOR THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES CALLING TERRORISTS SOLDIERS.
I URGE YOU THAT IF YOU HAVE ANY LOVE FOR
AMERICA AND ISRAEL YOU SHOULD NOT AND CANNOT
VOTE FOR HOWARD DEAN FOR THE OFFICE OF
PRESIDENT.
THIS COMING ELECTION MAY VERY WELL BE ONE OF
THE MOST IMPORTANT IN DECADES.
PLEASE PASS THIS MESSAGE ON TO AS MANY OF
YOUR FAMILY AND FRIENDS AS YOU CAN.
You are absolutely correct, my friend.
The sad side of this story though is: liberal American Jews will once again
convince themselves that their loyalty to the Left causes are more important
than Israel (anyway, it's their third priority, you know...)
What a piece of crap these charges against Dean are.
His full quote: "There is a war going on in the Middle East, and
members of Hamas are soldiers in that war,
Terrorists are not soldiers and they do not wage "war." They murder
innocent civilians.
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
and, therefore, it seems to
me that they are going to be casualties if they are going to make
war." Dean is SUPPORTING Israel's right to extra-judicial killings of
Hamas members. He is NOT elevating or legitimizing them.
Dean says he wants to be even-handed, which is an extension of Clinton
policy.
Just what we need. Sounds like Dean is "with the terrorists." Being
"even-handed" here is like being even-handed between police and violent
criminals.


--Bill

http://www.omdurman.org/
Josh Rosenbluth
2003-12-18 01:14:22 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bill Levinson
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by TonyaK911
Post by Common ?
HOWARD DEAN PROMISED THAT IF HE IS ELECTED
PRESIDENT, THE UNITED STATES WILL NO LONGER
SUPPORT ISRAEL THE WAY IT HAS IN THE PAST
UNDER BOTH DEMOCRATIC AND REPUBLICAN
PRESIDENTS.
IN HIS OWN WORDS HE WILL INSIST THAT THE
UNITED STATES BE "EVEN HANDED" . THIS IS A
TERM REGULARLY EMPLOYED BY ARAFAT AND HIS
COTERIE OF ADHERENTS THAT MEANS TO BE
ANTI-ISRAEL!!
GOVERNOR DEAN MADE THESE COMMENTS ON CNN
ON SEPTEMBER 10,2003 ON THE WOLF BLITZER
SHOW. HE HAS REPEATED THOSE WORDS SINCE.
IF THIS WERE NOT ENOUGH, GOVERNOR DEAN ON
THAT SAME SHOW CHARACTERIZED THE HAMAS
TERRORISTS AS "SOLDIERS".
FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE 9/11 WE HAVE SOMEONE
RUNNING FOR THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES CALLING TERRORISTS SOLDIERS.
I URGE YOU THAT IF YOU HAVE ANY LOVE FOR
AMERICA AND ISRAEL YOU SHOULD NOT AND CANNOT
VOTE FOR HOWARD DEAN FOR THE OFFICE OF
PRESIDENT.
THIS COMING ELECTION MAY VERY WELL BE ONE OF
THE MOST IMPORTANT IN DECADES.
PLEASE PASS THIS MESSAGE ON TO AS MANY OF
YOUR FAMILY AND FRIENDS AS YOU CAN.
You are absolutely correct, my friend.
The sad side of this story though is: liberal American Jews will once again
convince themselves that their loyalty to the Left causes are more important
than Israel (anyway, it's their third priority, you know...)
What a piece of crap these charges against Dean are.
His full quote: "There is a war going on in the Middle East, and
members of Hamas are soldiers in that war,
Terrorists are not soldiers and they do not wage "war." They murder
innocent civilians.
I suppose your day job must be excerpting reviews for movie ads. You
know. Like "Fantastic ... Roger Ebert" when what Ebert actually said
was "Fantastic Disaster".
Post by Bill Levinson
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
and, therefore, it seems to
me that they are going to be casualties if they are going to make
war." Dean is SUPPORTING Israel's right to extra-judicial killings of
Hamas members. He is NOT elevating or legitimizing them.
Dean says he wants to be even-handed, which is an extension of Clinton
policy.
Just what we need. Sounds like Dean is "with the terrorists." Being
"even-handed" here is like being even-handed between police and violent
criminals.
Was Clinton "with the terrorists?"

Josh Rosenbluth
TonyaK911
2003-12-18 01:26:00 UTC
Permalink
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Bill Levinson
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by TonyaK911
Post by Common ?
HOWARD DEAN PROMISED THAT IF HE IS ELECTED
PRESIDENT, THE UNITED STATES WILL NO LONGER
SUPPORT ISRAEL THE WAY IT HAS IN THE PAST
UNDER BOTH DEMOCRATIC AND REPUBLICAN
PRESIDENTS.
IN HIS OWN WORDS HE WILL INSIST THAT THE
UNITED STATES BE "EVEN HANDED" . THIS IS A
TERM REGULARLY EMPLOYED BY ARAFAT AND HIS
COTERIE OF ADHERENTS THAT MEANS TO BE
ANTI-ISRAEL!!
GOVERNOR DEAN MADE THESE COMMENTS ON CNN
ON SEPTEMBER 10,2003 ON THE WOLF BLITZER
SHOW. HE HAS REPEATED THOSE WORDS SINCE.
IF THIS WERE NOT ENOUGH, GOVERNOR DEAN ON
THAT SAME SHOW CHARACTERIZED THE HAMAS
TERRORISTS AS "SOLDIERS".
FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE 9/11 WE HAVE SOMEONE
RUNNING FOR THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES CALLING TERRORISTS SOLDIERS.
I URGE YOU THAT IF YOU HAVE ANY LOVE FOR
AMERICA AND ISRAEL YOU SHOULD NOT AND CANNOT
VOTE FOR HOWARD DEAN FOR THE OFFICE OF
PRESIDENT.
THIS COMING ELECTION MAY VERY WELL BE ONE OF
THE MOST IMPORTANT IN DECADES.
PLEASE PASS THIS MESSAGE ON TO AS MANY OF
YOUR FAMILY AND FRIENDS AS YOU CAN.
You are absolutely correct, my friend.
The sad side of this story though is: liberal American Jews will once again
convince themselves that their loyalty to the Left causes are more important
than Israel (anyway, it's their third priority, you know...)
What a piece of crap these charges against Dean are.
His full quote: "There is a war going on in the Middle East, and
members of Hamas are soldiers in that war,
Terrorists are not soldiers and they do not wage "war." They murder
innocent civilians.
I suppose your day job must be excerpting reviews for movie ads. You
know. Like "Fantastic ... Roger Ebert" when what Ebert actually said
was "Fantastic Disaster".
Post by Bill Levinson
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
and, therefore, it seems to
me that they are going to be casualties if they are going to make
war." Dean is SUPPORTING Israel's right to extra-judicial killings of
Hamas members. He is NOT elevating or legitimizing them.
Dean says he wants to be even-handed, which is an extension of Clinton
policy.
Just what we need. Sounds like Dean is "with the terrorists." Being
"even-handed" here is like being even-handed between police and violent
criminals.
Was Clinton "with the terrorists?"
Clint0n always was only with himself. Even when he was walking with Barak
and Afatrat, he was mostly concern to set the group in the correct frame for
the cameras. Israel's security has never been of any concern for Bill
Clint0n - only the opportunity to go in history as yet another American
president "peace-maker." The bloody crime of Jimmy Carter's Oslo accords -
that's what he wanted to emulate.

At least George W. Bush is sincere in his desire to see Israel secure -
Ariel Sharon called him the best friend Israel ever had in the White House.
I hope that in his second term G.W. will appoint a better person than Colin
Powell for the State Department (Rudy Giuliany would be my first choice).
But Dean leaves no hope!

TK9
Bill Levinson
2003-12-18 01:32:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Bill Levinson
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by TonyaK911
Post by Common ?
HOWARD DEAN PROMISED THAT IF HE IS ELECTED
PRESIDENT, THE UNITED STATES WILL NO LONGER
SUPPORT ISRAEL THE WAY IT HAS IN THE PAST
UNDER BOTH DEMOCRATIC AND REPUBLICAN
PRESIDENTS.
IN HIS OWN WORDS HE WILL INSIST THAT THE
UNITED STATES BE "EVEN HANDED" . THIS IS A
TERM REGULARLY EMPLOYED BY ARAFAT AND HIS
COTERIE OF ADHERENTS THAT MEANS TO BE
ANTI-ISRAEL!!
GOVERNOR DEAN MADE THESE COMMENTS ON CNN
ON SEPTEMBER 10,2003 ON THE WOLF BLITZER
SHOW. HE HAS REPEATED THOSE WORDS SINCE.
IF THIS WERE NOT ENOUGH, GOVERNOR DEAN ON
THAT SAME SHOW CHARACTERIZED THE HAMAS
TERRORISTS AS "SOLDIERS".
FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE 9/11 WE HAVE SOMEONE
RUNNING FOR THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES CALLING TERRORISTS SOLDIERS.
I URGE YOU THAT IF YOU HAVE ANY LOVE FOR
AMERICA AND ISRAEL YOU SHOULD NOT AND CANNOT
VOTE FOR HOWARD DEAN FOR THE OFFICE OF
PRESIDENT.
THIS COMING ELECTION MAY VERY WELL BE ONE OF
THE MOST IMPORTANT IN DECADES.
PLEASE PASS THIS MESSAGE ON TO AS MANY OF
YOUR FAMILY AND FRIENDS AS YOU CAN.
You are absolutely correct, my friend.
The sad side of this story though is: liberal American Jews will once again
convince themselves that their loyalty to the Left causes are more important
than Israel (anyway, it's their third priority, you know...)
What a piece of crap these charges against Dean are.
His full quote: "There is a war going on in the Middle East, and
members of Hamas are soldiers in that war,
Terrorists are not soldiers and they do not wage "war." They murder
innocent civilians.
I suppose your day job must be excerpting reviews for movie ads. You
know. Like "Fantastic ... Roger Ebert" when what Ebert actually said
was "Fantastic Disaster".
Are you saying that Dean didn't say "members of Hamas are soldiers in
that war?" Yes, he also said "it seems to me that they are going to be
casualties if they are going to make war."

But calling them "soldiers" and describing what they do as "war" (like
blowing the heads off five-year-old girls) gives them dignity they do
not deserve, so I stand by my statement.
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Bill Levinson
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
and, therefore, it seems to
me that they are going to be casualties if they are going to make
war." Dean is SUPPORTING Israel's right to extra-judicial killings of
Hamas members. He is NOT elevating or legitimizing them.
Dean says he wants to be even-handed, which is an extension of Clinton
policy.
Just what we need. Sounds like Dean is "with the terrorists." Being
"even-handed" here is like being even-handed between police and
violent criminals.
Was Clinton "with the terrorists?"
Josh Rosenbluth
Clinton was with Clinton, except when he was with Monica Lewinsky or
ChiCom donors to his campaign. Clinton was scum
(http://www.stentorian.com/politics/) and so is Gore, who just endorsed
Dean.


--Bill

http://www.omdurman.org/
Josh Rosenbluth
2003-12-18 01:42:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bill Levinson
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Bill Levinson
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
What a piece of crap these charges against Dean are.
His full quote: "There is a war going on in the Middle East, and
members of Hamas are soldiers in that war,
Terrorists are not soldiers and they do not wage "war." They murder
innocent civilians.
I suppose your day job must be excerpting reviews for movie ads. You
know. Like "Fantastic ... Roger Ebert" when what Ebert actually said
was "Fantastic Disaster".
Are you saying that Dean didn't say "members of Hamas are soldiers in
that war?" Yes, he also said "it seems to me that they are going to be
casualties if they are going to make war."
But calling them "soldiers" and describing what they do as "war" (like
blowing the heads off five-year-old girls) gives them dignity they do
not deserve, so I stand by my statement.
You are, of course, entitled to your interpretation. But, present the
full quote so that others can make their own judgments based on all the
facts.
Post by Bill Levinson
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Bill Levinson
Just what we need. Sounds like Dean is "with the terrorists." Being
"even-handed" here is like being even-handed between police and
violent criminals.
Was Clinton "with the terrorists?"
Clinton was with Clinton, except when he was with Monica Lewinsky or
ChiCom donors to his campaign. Clinton was scum.
Was that a "yes" or "no"?

Josh Rosenbluth
TonyaK911
2003-12-18 01:52:03 UTC
Permalink
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Bill Levinson
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Bill Levinson
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
What a piece of crap these charges against Dean are.
His full quote: "There is a war going on in the Middle East, and
members of Hamas are soldiers in that war,
Terrorists are not soldiers and they do not wage "war." They murder
innocent civilians.
I suppose your day job must be excerpting reviews for movie ads. You
know. Like "Fantastic ... Roger Ebert" when what Ebert actually said
was "Fantastic Disaster".
Are you saying that Dean didn't say "members of Hamas are soldiers in
that war?" Yes, he also said "it seems to me that they are going to be
casualties if they are going to make war."
But calling them "soldiers" and describing what they do as "war" (like
blowing the heads off five-year-old girls) gives them dignity they do
not deserve, so I stand by my statement.
You are, of course, entitled to your interpretation. But, present the
full quote so that others can make their own judgments based on all the
facts.
Post by Bill Levinson
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Bill Levinson
Just what we need. Sounds like Dean is "with the terrorists." Being
"even-handed" here is like being even-handed between police and
violent criminals.
Was Clinton "with the terrorists?"
Clinton was with Clinton, except when he was with Monica Lewinsky or
ChiCom donors to his campaign. Clinton was scum.
Was that a "yes" or "no"?
Josh Rosenbluth
In his mind, he wasn't with anybody. Objectively, his failure to let Arafart
know that Arabs will face heavy consequences if they resort to violence has
cost 19,000 dead and wounded Israelis.
We do not need anothe version of Clint0n in the White House.
Which of this three words "we do not" you cannot understand?

TK9
Bill Levinson
2003-12-18 03:44:08 UTC
Permalink
Post by TonyaK911
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Bill Levinson
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Bill Levinson
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
What a piece of crap these charges against Dean are.
His full quote: "There is a war going on in the Middle East, and
members of Hamas are soldiers in that war,
Terrorists are not soldiers and they do not wage "war." They murder
innocent civilians.
I suppose your day job must be excerpting reviews for movie ads. You
know. Like "Fantastic ... Roger Ebert" when what Ebert actually said
was "Fantastic Disaster".
Are you saying that Dean didn't say "members of Hamas are soldiers in
that war?" Yes, he also said "it seems to me that they are going to be
casualties if they are going to make war."
But calling them "soldiers" and describing what they do as "war" (like
blowing the heads off five-year-old girls) gives them dignity they do
not deserve, so I stand by my statement.
You are, of course, entitled to your interpretation. But, present the
full quote so that others can make their own judgments based on all the
facts.
Post by Bill Levinson
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Bill Levinson
Just what we need. Sounds like Dean is "with the terrorists." Being
"even-handed" here is like being even-handed between police and
violent criminals.
Was Clinton "with the terrorists?"
Clinton was with Clinton, except when he was with Monica Lewinsky or
ChiCom donors to his campaign. Clinton was scum.
Was that a "yes" or "no"?
Josh Rosenbluth
In his mind, he wasn't with anybody. Objectively, his failure to let Arafart
know that Arabs will face heavy consequences if they resort to violence has
cost 19,000 dead and wounded Israelis.
Which, multiplying by the population ratios, would be like having a
million American casualties (dead and wounded), or almost twice as bad
as the First World War.


--Bill

http://www.omdurman.org/
Bill Levinson
2003-12-19 00:02:07 UTC
Permalink
There is at least one person who appreciates Howard Dean's outlook on war in
Iraq.
Attached please find the photo called "Another endorsement for Howard Dean"
I wouldn't post images in a newsgroup. On the other hand, I'm going to
E-mail this one to some of my friends.


--Bill
http://www.omdurman.org/
TonyaK911
2003-12-19 00:36:20 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bill Levinson
There is at least one person who appreciates Howard Dean's outlook on war in
Iraq.
Attached please find the photo called "Another endorsement for Howard Dean"
I wouldn't post images in a newsgroup. On the other hand, I'm going to
E-mail this one to some of my friends.
--Bill
http://www.omdurman.org/
That was the idea, to start with!
Glad you enjoyed it.
TK9
Bill Levinson
2003-12-18 00:56:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by TonyaK911
Post by Common ?
HOWARD DEAN PROMISED THAT IF HE IS ELECTED
PRESIDENT, THE UNITED STATES WILL NO LONGER
SUPPORT ISRAEL THE WAY IT HAS IN THE PAST
UNDER BOTH DEMOCRATIC AND REPUBLICAN
PRESIDENTS.
IN HIS OWN WORDS HE WILL INSIST THAT THE
UNITED STATES BE "EVEN HANDED" . THIS IS A
TERM REGULARLY EMPLOYED BY ARAFAT AND HIS
COTERIE OF ADHERENTS THAT MEANS TO BE
ANTI-ISRAEL!!
GOVERNOR DEAN MADE THESE COMMENTS ON CNN
ON SEPTEMBER 10,2003 ON THE WOLF BLITZER
SHOW. HE HAS REPEATED THOSE WORDS SINCE.
IF THIS WERE NOT ENOUGH, GOVERNOR DEAN ON
THAT SAME SHOW CHARACTERIZED THE HAMAS
TERRORISTS AS "SOLDIERS".
FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE 9/11 WE HAVE SOMEONE
RUNNING FOR THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES CALLING TERRORISTS SOLDIERS.
I URGE YOU THAT IF YOU HAVE ANY LOVE FOR
AMERICA AND ISRAEL YOU SHOULD NOT AND CANNOT
VOTE FOR HOWARD DEAN FOR THE OFFICE OF
PRESIDENT.
THIS COMING ELECTION MAY VERY WELL BE ONE OF
THE MOST IMPORTANT IN DECADES.
PLEASE PASS THIS MESSAGE ON TO AS MANY OF
YOUR FAMILY AND FRIENDS AS YOU CAN.
You are absolutely correct, my friend.
The sad side of this story though is: liberal American Jews will once again
convince themselves that their loyalty to the Left causes are more important
than Israel (anyway, it's their third priority, you know...)
My first priority is the well-being of the United States, which is why I
am going to vote for George Bush.

My second priority is the well-being of the United States' democratic
allies like Israel, Taiwan, the United Kingdom, Spain, Poland, and so
on, which is also why I am going to vote for George Bush.
Post by TonyaK911
if she were to face the choice between voting for George Bush (whom she
already called "Hitler") or for Howard Dean (whose election would spell the
end of American support for Israel) - FOR WHOM WOULD SHE RATHER VOTE?
Sad.
TK9
Susan's an intelligent lady but it's hard to break long-established
habits like reaching for the Donkey lever. Turning Republican is
probably as hard for a liberal Jew as giving up smoking* or, in my case,
fatty foods, but it CAN be done. Maybe we can form a support group for
her. :-) http://www.stentorian.com/politics/jews.html

*A friend of mine (Polish Catholic) gave up smoking for Lent. When Lent
was over he said, "Good, now I can smoke again." Then he did a
double-take and said, "I'VE QUIT SMOKING!" Well, whatever works...

--Bill

http://www.omdurman.org/
TonyaK911
2003-12-18 01:02:57 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bill Levinson
Post by TonyaK911
Post by Common ?
HOWARD DEAN PROMISED THAT IF HE IS ELECTED
PRESIDENT, THE UNITED STATES WILL NO LONGER
SUPPORT ISRAEL THE WAY IT HAS IN THE PAST
UNDER BOTH DEMOCRATIC AND REPUBLICAN
PRESIDENTS.
IN HIS OWN WORDS HE WILL INSIST THAT THE
UNITED STATES BE "EVEN HANDED" . THIS IS A
TERM REGULARLY EMPLOYED BY ARAFAT AND HIS
COTERIE OF ADHERENTS THAT MEANS TO BE
ANTI-ISRAEL!!
GOVERNOR DEAN MADE THESE COMMENTS ON CNN
ON SEPTEMBER 10,2003 ON THE WOLF BLITZER
SHOW. HE HAS REPEATED THOSE WORDS SINCE.
IF THIS WERE NOT ENOUGH, GOVERNOR DEAN ON
THAT SAME SHOW CHARACTERIZED THE HAMAS
TERRORISTS AS "SOLDIERS".
FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE 9/11 WE HAVE SOMEONE
RUNNING FOR THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES CALLING TERRORISTS SOLDIERS.
I URGE YOU THAT IF YOU HAVE ANY LOVE FOR
AMERICA AND ISRAEL YOU SHOULD NOT AND CANNOT
VOTE FOR HOWARD DEAN FOR THE OFFICE OF
PRESIDENT.
THIS COMING ELECTION MAY VERY WELL BE ONE OF
THE MOST IMPORTANT IN DECADES.
PLEASE PASS THIS MESSAGE ON TO AS MANY OF
YOUR FAMILY AND FRIENDS AS YOU CAN.
You are absolutely correct, my friend.
The sad side of this story though is: liberal American Jews will once again
convince themselves that their loyalty to the Left causes are more important
than Israel (anyway, it's their third priority, you know...)
My first priority is the well-being of the United States, which is why I
am going to vote for George Bush.
My second priority is the well-being of the United States' democratic
allies like Israel, Taiwan, the United Kingdom, Spain, Poland, and so
on, which is also why I am going to vote for George Bush.
Post by TonyaK911
if she were to face the choice between voting for George Bush (whom she
already called "Hitler") or for Howard Dean (whose election would spell the
end of American support for Israel) - FOR WHOM WOULD SHE RATHER VOTE?
Sad.
TK9
Susan's an intelligent lady but it's hard to break long-established
habits like reaching for the Donkey lever. Turning Republican is
probably as hard for a liberal Jew as giving up smoking* or, in my case,
fatty foods, but it CAN be done. Maybe we can form a support group for
her. :-) http://www.stentorian.com/politics/jews.html
The way they do it in AA its called "intervention": you've gotta gather the
whole meshpuha in one place and tell her all about her being always wrong
and how much tsures it gives to the rest of Jews.

Wanna organize a special thread for SC intervention treatment, Bill?
;)))

TK9
Bill Levinson
2003-12-18 01:43:05 UTC
Permalink
Post by TonyaK911
Post by Bill Levinson
Post by TonyaK911
Post by Common ?
HOWARD DEAN PROMISED THAT IF HE IS ELECTED
PRESIDENT, THE UNITED STATES WILL NO LONGER
SUPPORT ISRAEL THE WAY IT HAS IN THE PAST
UNDER BOTH DEMOCRATIC AND REPUBLICAN
PRESIDENTS.
IN HIS OWN WORDS HE WILL INSIST THAT THE
UNITED STATES BE "EVEN HANDED" . THIS IS A
TERM REGULARLY EMPLOYED BY ARAFAT AND HIS
COTERIE OF ADHERENTS THAT MEANS TO BE
ANTI-ISRAEL!!
GOVERNOR DEAN MADE THESE COMMENTS ON CNN
ON SEPTEMBER 10,2003 ON THE WOLF BLITZER
SHOW. HE HAS REPEATED THOSE WORDS SINCE.
IF THIS WERE NOT ENOUGH, GOVERNOR DEAN ON
THAT SAME SHOW CHARACTERIZED THE HAMAS
TERRORISTS AS "SOLDIERS".
FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE 9/11 WE HAVE SOMEONE
RUNNING FOR THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES CALLING TERRORISTS SOLDIERS.
I URGE YOU THAT IF YOU HAVE ANY LOVE FOR
AMERICA AND ISRAEL YOU SHOULD NOT AND CANNOT
VOTE FOR HOWARD DEAN FOR THE OFFICE OF
PRESIDENT.
THIS COMING ELECTION MAY VERY WELL BE ONE OF
THE MOST IMPORTANT IN DECADES.
PLEASE PASS THIS MESSAGE ON TO AS MANY OF
YOUR FAMILY AND FRIENDS AS YOU CAN.
You are absolutely correct, my friend.
The sad side of this story though is: liberal American Jews will once
again
Post by Bill Levinson
Post by TonyaK911
convince themselves that their loyalty to the Left causes are more
important
Post by Bill Levinson
Post by TonyaK911
than Israel (anyway, it's their third priority, you know...)
My first priority is the well-being of the United States, which is why I
am going to vote for George Bush.
My second priority is the well-being of the United States' democratic
allies like Israel, Taiwan, the United Kingdom, Spain, Poland, and so
on, which is also why I am going to vote for George Bush.
Post by TonyaK911
Here's a simple test. Why don't you ask Susan Cohen, who often posts
if she were to face the choice between voting for George Bush (whom she
already called "Hitler") or for Howard Dean (whose election would spell
the
Post by Bill Levinson
Post by TonyaK911
end of American support for Israel) - FOR WHOM WOULD SHE RATHER VOTE?
Sad.
TK9
Susan's an intelligent lady but it's hard to break long-established
habits like reaching for the Donkey lever. Turning Republican is
probably as hard for a liberal Jew as giving up smoking* or, in my case,
fatty foods, but it CAN be done. Maybe we can form a support group for
her. :-) http://www.stentorian.com/politics/jews.html
The way they do it in AA its called "intervention": you've gotta gather the
whole meshpuha in one place and tell her all about her being always wrong
and how much tsures it gives to the rest of Jews.
Wanna organize a special thread for SC intervention treatment, Bill?
;)))
TK9
We can begin with some nice friendly pictures:
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TonyaK911
2003-12-18 01:54:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bill Levinson
Post by TonyaK911
Post by Bill Levinson
Post by TonyaK911
Post by Common ?
HOWARD DEAN PROMISED THAT IF HE IS ELECTED
PRESIDENT, THE UNITED STATES WILL NO LONGER
SUPPORT ISRAEL THE WAY IT HAS IN THE PAST
UNDER BOTH DEMOCRATIC AND REPUBLICAN
PRESIDENTS.
IN HIS OWN WORDS HE WILL INSIST THAT THE
UNITED STATES BE "EVEN HANDED" . THIS IS A
TERM REGULARLY EMPLOYED BY ARAFAT AND HIS
COTERIE OF ADHERENTS THAT MEANS TO BE
ANTI-ISRAEL!!
GOVERNOR DEAN MADE THESE COMMENTS ON CNN
ON SEPTEMBER 10,2003 ON THE WOLF BLITZER
SHOW. HE HAS REPEATED THOSE WORDS SINCE.
IF THIS WERE NOT ENOUGH, GOVERNOR DEAN ON
THAT SAME SHOW CHARACTERIZED THE HAMAS
TERRORISTS AS "SOLDIERS".
FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE 9/11 WE HAVE SOMEONE
RUNNING FOR THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES CALLING TERRORISTS SOLDIERS.
I URGE YOU THAT IF YOU HAVE ANY LOVE FOR
AMERICA AND ISRAEL YOU SHOULD NOT AND CANNOT
VOTE FOR HOWARD DEAN FOR THE OFFICE OF
PRESIDENT.
THIS COMING ELECTION MAY VERY WELL BE ONE OF
THE MOST IMPORTANT IN DECADES.
PLEASE PASS THIS MESSAGE ON TO AS MANY OF
YOUR FAMILY AND FRIENDS AS YOU CAN.
You are absolutely correct, my friend.
The sad side of this story though is: liberal American Jews will once
again
Post by Bill Levinson
Post by TonyaK911
convince themselves that their loyalty to the Left causes are more
important
Post by Bill Levinson
Post by TonyaK911
than Israel (anyway, it's their third priority, you know...)
My first priority is the well-being of the United States, which is why I
am going to vote for George Bush.
My second priority is the well-being of the United States' democratic
allies like Israel, Taiwan, the United Kingdom, Spain, Poland, and so
on, which is also why I am going to vote for George Bush.
Post by TonyaK911
Here's a simple test. Why don't you ask Susan Cohen, who often posts
if she were to face the choice between voting for George Bush (whom she
already called "Hitler") or for Howard Dean (whose election would spell
the
Post by Bill Levinson
Post by TonyaK911
end of American support for Israel) - FOR WHOM WOULD SHE RATHER VOTE?
Sad.
TK9
Susan's an intelligent lady but it's hard to break long-established
habits like reaching for the Donkey lever. Turning Republican is
probably as hard for a liberal Jew as giving up smoking* or, in my case,
fatty foods, but it CAN be done. Maybe we can form a support group for
her. :-) http://www.stentorian.com/politics/jews.html
The way they do it in AA its called "intervention": you've gotta gather the
whole meshpuha in one place and tell her all about her being always wrong
and how much tsures it gives to the rest of Jews.
Wanna organize a special thread for SC intervention treatment, Bill?
;)))
TK9
http://members.aol.com/davetalan/graphics/elephant.gif
http://www.statefarm.com/kidstuf/politcolor/images/elephant.gif
No no no, Bill.
Ingrained habits require a full-fledged intervention.
Just watch this schmoe Josh Rosenbluth going through withdrawal symptoms.
We've got to get the whole meshpuha to deal with these unfortunate Jews
Anonimous.

TK9
Bill Levinson
2003-12-18 03:47:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by TonyaK911
Post by Bill Levinson
Post by TonyaK911
Post by Bill Levinson
Post by TonyaK911
Post by Common ?
HOWARD DEAN PROMISED THAT IF HE IS ELECTED
PRESIDENT, THE UNITED STATES WILL NO LONGER
SUPPORT ISRAEL THE WAY IT HAS IN THE PAST
UNDER BOTH DEMOCRATIC AND REPUBLICAN
PRESIDENTS.
IN HIS OWN WORDS HE WILL INSIST THAT THE
UNITED STATES BE "EVEN HANDED" . THIS IS A
TERM REGULARLY EMPLOYED BY ARAFAT AND HIS
COTERIE OF ADHERENTS THAT MEANS TO BE
ANTI-ISRAEL!!
GOVERNOR DEAN MADE THESE COMMENTS ON CNN
ON SEPTEMBER 10,2003 ON THE WOLF BLITZER
SHOW. HE HAS REPEATED THOSE WORDS SINCE.
IF THIS WERE NOT ENOUGH, GOVERNOR DEAN ON
THAT SAME SHOW CHARACTERIZED THE HAMAS
TERRORISTS AS "SOLDIERS".
FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE 9/11 WE HAVE SOMEONE
RUNNING FOR THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES CALLING TERRORISTS SOLDIERS.
I URGE YOU THAT IF YOU HAVE ANY LOVE FOR
AMERICA AND ISRAEL YOU SHOULD NOT AND CANNOT
VOTE FOR HOWARD DEAN FOR THE OFFICE OF
PRESIDENT.
THIS COMING ELECTION MAY VERY WELL BE ONE OF
THE MOST IMPORTANT IN DECADES.
PLEASE PASS THIS MESSAGE ON TO AS MANY OF
YOUR FAMILY AND FRIENDS AS YOU CAN.
You are absolutely correct, my friend.
The sad side of this story though is: liberal American Jews will once
again
Post by Bill Levinson
Post by TonyaK911
convince themselves that their loyalty to the Left causes are more
important
Post by Bill Levinson
Post by TonyaK911
than Israel (anyway, it's their third priority, you know...)
My first priority is the well-being of the United States, which is why I
am going to vote for George Bush.
My second priority is the well-being of the United States' democratic
allies like Israel, Taiwan, the United Kingdom, Spain, Poland, and so
on, which is also why I am going to vote for George Bush.
Post by TonyaK911
Here's a simple test. Why don't you ask Susan Cohen, who often posts
if she were to face the choice between voting for George Bush (whom she
already called "Hitler") or for Howard Dean (whose election would spell
the
Post by Bill Levinson
Post by TonyaK911
end of American support for Israel) - FOR WHOM WOULD SHE RATHER VOTE?
Sad.
TK9
Susan's an intelligent lady but it's hard to break long-established
habits like reaching for the Donkey lever. Turning Republican is
probably as hard for a liberal Jew as giving up smoking* or, in my case,
fatty foods, but it CAN be done. Maybe we can form a support group for
her. :-) http://www.stentorian.com/politics/jews.html
The way they do it in AA its called "intervention": you've gotta gather
the
Post by Bill Levinson
Post by TonyaK911
whole meshpuha in one place and tell her all about her being always
wrong
Post by Bill Levinson
Post by TonyaK911
and how much tsures it gives to the rest of Jews.
Wanna organize a special thread for SC intervention treatment, Bill?
;)))
TK9
http://members.aol.com/davetalan/graphics/elephant.gif
http://www.statefarm.com/kidstuf/politcolor/images/elephant.gif
No no no, Bill.
Ingrained habits require a full-fledged intervention.
Just watch this schmoe Josh Rosenbluth going through withdrawal symptoms.
We've got to get the whole meshpuha to deal with these unfortunate Jews
Anonimous.
TK9
LibJews Anonymous.

I have an idea. Get them to watch "Uprising," about the Warsaw Ghetto
Resistance. (Maybe superimpose Eric Yoffie's picture on the character
played by Donald Sutherland, the one who opposed armed resistance
because it could lead to a "disaster" for the Jews, who were meanwhile
being shipped to Treblinka). That will turn them into NRA members, which
means they'll be halfway into our camp. Then we play tapes of Al
Sharpton's anti-Semitic remarks while showing actual footage of him
standing next to Hillary Clinton and Al Gore, and that should do the trick.


--Bill

http://www.omdurman.org/
TonyaK911
2003-12-18 03:52:03 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bill Levinson
Post by TonyaK911
Post by Bill Levinson
Post by TonyaK911
Post by Bill Levinson
Post by TonyaK911
Post by Common ?
HOWARD DEAN PROMISED THAT IF HE IS ELECTED
PRESIDENT, THE UNITED STATES WILL NO LONGER
SUPPORT ISRAEL THE WAY IT HAS IN THE PAST
UNDER BOTH DEMOCRATIC AND REPUBLICAN
PRESIDENTS.
IN HIS OWN WORDS HE WILL INSIST THAT THE
UNITED STATES BE "EVEN HANDED" . THIS IS A
TERM REGULARLY EMPLOYED BY ARAFAT AND HIS
COTERIE OF ADHERENTS THAT MEANS TO BE
ANTI-ISRAEL!!
GOVERNOR DEAN MADE THESE COMMENTS ON CNN
ON SEPTEMBER 10,2003 ON THE WOLF BLITZER
SHOW. HE HAS REPEATED THOSE WORDS SINCE.
IF THIS WERE NOT ENOUGH, GOVERNOR DEAN ON
THAT SAME SHOW CHARACTERIZED THE HAMAS
TERRORISTS AS "SOLDIERS".
FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE 9/11 WE HAVE SOMEONE
RUNNING FOR THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES CALLING TERRORISTS SOLDIERS.
I URGE YOU THAT IF YOU HAVE ANY LOVE FOR
AMERICA AND ISRAEL YOU SHOULD NOT AND CANNOT
VOTE FOR HOWARD DEAN FOR THE OFFICE OF
PRESIDENT.
THIS COMING ELECTION MAY VERY WELL BE ONE OF
THE MOST IMPORTANT IN DECADES.
PLEASE PASS THIS MESSAGE ON TO AS MANY OF
YOUR FAMILY AND FRIENDS AS YOU CAN.
You are absolutely correct, my friend.
The sad side of this story though is: liberal American Jews will once
again
Post by Bill Levinson
Post by TonyaK911
convince themselves that their loyalty to the Left causes are more
important
Post by Bill Levinson
Post by TonyaK911
than Israel (anyway, it's their third priority, you know...)
My first priority is the well-being of the United States, which is why I
am going to vote for George Bush.
My second priority is the well-being of the United States' democratic
allies like Israel, Taiwan, the United Kingdom, Spain, Poland, and so
on, which is also why I am going to vote for George Bush.
Post by TonyaK911
Here's a simple test. Why don't you ask Susan Cohen, who often posts
if she were to face the choice between voting for George Bush (whom she
already called "Hitler") or for Howard Dean (whose election would spell
the
Post by Bill Levinson
Post by TonyaK911
end of American support for Israel) - FOR WHOM WOULD SHE RATHER VOTE?
Sad.
TK9
Susan's an intelligent lady but it's hard to break long-established
habits like reaching for the Donkey lever. Turning Republican is
probably as hard for a liberal Jew as giving up smoking* or, in my case,
fatty foods, but it CAN be done. Maybe we can form a support group for
her. :-) http://www.stentorian.com/politics/jews.html
The way they do it in AA its called "intervention": you've gotta gather
the
Post by Bill Levinson
Post by TonyaK911
whole meshpuha in one place and tell her all about her being always
wrong
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Post by TonyaK911
and how much tsures it gives to the rest of Jews.
Wanna organize a special thread for SC intervention treatment, Bill?
;)))
TK9
http://members.aol.com/davetalan/graphics/elephant.gif
http://www.statefarm.com/kidstuf/politcolor/images/elephant.gif
No no no, Bill.
Ingrained habits require a full-fledged intervention.
Just watch this schmoe Josh Rosenbluth going through withdrawal symptoms.
We've got to get the whole meshpuha to deal with these unfortunate Jews
Anonimous.
TK9
LibJews Anonymous.
I have an idea. Get them to watch "Uprising," about the Warsaw Ghetto
Resistance. (Maybe superimpose Eric Yoffie's picture on the character
played by Donald Sutherland, the one who opposed armed resistance
because it could lead to a "disaster" for the Jews, who were meanwhile
being shipped to Treblinka). That will turn them into NRA members, which
means they'll be halfway into our camp. Then we play tapes of Al
Sharpton's anti-Semitic remarks while showing actual footage of him
standing next to Hillary Clinton and Al Gore, and that should do the trick.
Recovery rate for alcoholics far exceeds that of the LibJews.
Sad.

TK9
AnonMoos
2003-12-17 00:52:10 UTC
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The whole Howard Dean "even-handed" mid-east policy flap occurred over
a month ago, and Dean still has many Jewish supporters. I think that
if Dean is nominated, he'll probably turn out to be the McGovern of
2004 (electorally speaking), but I'm not sure there's much point in
opposing him solely on the grounds of his attitude towards Israel
(there are at least three other candidates in the democratic candidate
field who are even less pro-Israel than Dean is).
--
Some Qur'an quotes: 5:20 qaala muusaa 5:21 "yaa qawmi ´dkhuluu ´l-'arDa
´l-muqaddasata ´llatii kataba ´llaahu lakum" 17:104 waqulnaa ... libanii
'israa'iila "´skunuu ´l-'arDa" || In English: Moses said, "My people,
go into the Holy Land which God has assigned to you!" And we said to the
Children of Israel, "Inhabit the land!" http://symbolictruth.fateback.com/
TonyaK911
2003-12-17 01:06:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by AnonMoos
The whole Howard Dean "even-handed" mid-east policy flap occurred over
a month ago, and Dean still has many Jewish supporters. I think that
if Dean is nominated, he'll probably turn out to be the McGovern of
2004 (electorally speaking), but I'm not sure there's much point in
opposing him solely on the grounds of his attitude towards Israel
(there are at least three other candidates in the democratic candidate
field who are even less pro-Israel than Dean is).
See?
I told ya...

Sad.

TK9
jneal
2003-12-17 09:10:16 UTC
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"TonyaK911" <***@excite.com> wrote in message news:<n_NDb.7671$***@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>...

Hi Tonya,

It's been a while...

You know of any good documents available on the net concerning
collaboration of the nazis and arabs?

thanks,

shalom,

john
Susan Cohen
2003-12-17 18:45:11 UTC
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Post by jneal
You know of any good documents available on the net concerning
collaboration of the nazis and arabs?
Check the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem during the War Years.

Susan
jneal
2003-12-18 00:17:07 UTC
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Post by Susan Cohen
Post by jneal
You know of any good documents available on the net concerning
collaboration of the nazis and arabs?
Check the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem during the War Years.
Susan
Hussein? I am cognitive of various summaries, but have not come across
any detailed writings (at least in English) concerning the dialogues
and agreements made between the nazis and Moslem clerics and Arab
gov'ts (Iraq, Egypt, etc.) while on their trips to nazi-Germany. I do
remember reading (but can't remember where), or perhaps it was in a
documentary, concerning Hitler's proposal to send the Jews in Europe
to Mid-east death camps setup by his Arab confederates.

shalom,

john
TonyaK911
2003-12-17 19:27:41 UTC
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Post by jneal
You know of any good documents available on the net concerning
collaboration of the nazis and arabs?
I recall there was one pretty good post by Deborah on the subject in these
NGs.

We might start somewhere around 1935: when Hitler introduced the Nuremberg
racial laws, he received telegrams of congratulation from all corners of the
Arab world. For reference look up Howard Sachar's 'A History of Israel: From
the Rise of Zionism to Our Time, p.196.

In a letter dated January 20, 1941, and addressed to Hitler, the Mufti of
Jerusalem (Arafat's uncle, by the way!) appealed for German aid to the Arabs
to fight Zionists on the grounds that this would "cause the Jews to lose
heart," especially in the United States, and that in turn would prompt
Roosevelt to abandon his support for Britain. In other words, if you help
the Arabs, the Axis wins the war (http://www.meforum.org/article/268 )

The Mufti Haj Amin el Muhammad Husayni even paid a personal visit to
Hitler, to propose the Germans to carry out the "final solution" for the
Jews of Arab countries, including Palestine.
( http://www.meforum.org/article/263,
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/728053/posts )

The Mufti appealed over the Nazi radio for Arabs and Muslims to revolt
against Allies. Mattar of the Institute for Palestine Studies
unapologetically asserts in the Middle East that Husayni
"Cooperated with the Nazis ... and he assisted in anti-British
and anti-Jewish propaganda campaigns and in recruitment of
Muslims for the war effort. He attempted but failed to limit the
number of Jews leaving Axis countries for Palestine.
His association with the Nazis tainted his career and his cause."
( http://www.meforum.org/article/417 )

At that time, Hitler busy with his European campaign, suggested that the
Arabs should start on their own.

Following Hitler's advice, the Mufti had initiated a series of bloody
pogroms throughout Arab lands.
In Palestine, the Mufti formed "youth troops" fashioned after the Hitler
Youth in Germany. As Kimmerling and Migdal point out, "Palestinians had the
young, brown- and black-shirted fascists to emulate." (Kimmerling and
Migdal, Palestinians, p. 101.) In June 1941 the Mufti-inspired pro-Nazi coup
of Rashid Ali sparked rioting and pogrom in Baghdad. Armed Iraqi mobs, with
the complicity of the police and the army, nurdered 180 Jews and wounded
almost 1000. (Myths and Facts, A Guide to the Arab-Israeli Conflict, by
Mitchell G. Bard, p. 203)

Arab achievements during WWII
(http://members.tripod.com/~marcin_w/index-2.html ) :

Iraq. Iraqi armed forces never participated in any operations.

Lebanon. At the start of the war Lebanon created two infantry battalions
(Bataillons de Chasseurs Libanois) and one cavalry squadron (these units
formed an integral part of the French "Levante" Army that was stationed in
Lebanon and Syria); in 1941 these units participated in military operations
against British and Free French forces while fighting on behalf of the Vichy
army. In the aftermath of Vichy surrender in Lebanon, they were placed under
Free French command by the victorious Allies. These units formed the nucleus
of the future new Lebanese national army. Following the liberation of
Lebanon from Vichy control, the combat role of Lebanese military formations
had practically ended.

Saudi Arabia. The armed forces of Saudi Arabia did not participate in WWII.

Syria. Following the French surrender in 1940, Syria was placed under Vichy
administration. The Germans began to construct military airfields on Syrian
soil with the silent approval from General Dentz (the regional French high
commissioner), with the aim of supporting a pro-Axis coup in nearby Iraq.
These airfields located at Damascus, Palmira, and Rayak (the latter in
Lebanon) were already up-and-running by the first half of 1941. In response
to these threats, the British forces of General Wilson occupied both Lebanon
and Syria by 08/06/1941.

The Arab Legion, [Arabic Al-jaish Al-'arabi] police force was raised in 1921
by British Lieutenant Colonel Frederick Gerard Peake in what was then the
British protectorate of Transjordan, to keep order among Transjordanian
tribes and to safeguard Transjordanian villagers from Bedouins. In 1939
Major Glubb Pasha, became the legion's commander and transformed it into a
military unit (approx 700 people), which took part in re-occupation of
Syria.

We need not forget also the formation of the Bosnian Muslim 23rd Waffen SS
("Kama") Division; the formation of the Bosnian Muslim 13th Waffen SS
("Handjar") Division; review of the formation of the Albanian 21st Waffen SS
("Skanderbeg") Division; collaboration of Balkan Muslims with the Croatian
Ustachi; the composition and combat operations of joint Croatian/Muslim
Wehrmacht units; an overview of the many Muslim units that fought with the
Axis powers; discussion the Waffengruppe-Der SS "Krim" (composed of Chechen
Muslims and the forebearers of the Chechen rebels currently active in
Russia.)
- Islam Under the Swastika and its Implications for Today,
http://www.spitfirelist.com/f414.html (be careful though: this site
sometimes makes crazy assumptions - when they depart from historical facts
and launch into speculations about modern connections.)

You will find more information in these 2 books by the same author:

Title: Lions of the Desert: Arab Volunteers in the German Army 1941 - 1945
Author: Antonio J. Munoz
Price: $18.00
Publisher: Axis Europa Books
Basics: Soft cover, color covers, 8.5"x11", 36 pages, numerous maps and
drawings, plus 21 extremely rare photos, 2nd Edition
ISBN: 1-891227-03-3

Title: The East Came West: Muslim, Hindu and Buddhist Volunteers in the
German Armed Forces 1941 - 1945
Author: Antonio J. Munoz, Editor
Price: $50.00
Publisher: Axis Europa Books
Basics: Hard cover, dust jacket, 8.5"x11", 332 pages, numerous black & white
photographs, charts and illustrations
ISBN: 1-891227-39-4

Description: This book presents the complete history of Muslim, Hindu and
Buddhist volunteers in service of the German armed forces. Just like
volunteer units composed of men from the countries of Western Europe, the
Wehrmacht made extensive use of volunteers from Eastern European, Middle
Eastern, and Southeast Asian countries. Muslims from Eastern Europe, the
Soviet republics, and even India and the Middle East all served in the
Wehrmacht, as did Hindu and Buddhist soldiers from Southeast Asia. Such
units served with the Germans on all fronts of the war - from North Africa,
to the Eastern Front, to the hedgerows of Normandy and the final defense of
Germany itself. This book provides a complete history of these units, from
their recruitment and reasons for serving in the Wehrmacht, to their
training, unit organization and operational history. All major units are
covered, including units from both the German Army and Waffen-SS. The
detailed text is accompanied by numerous photographs, orders of battle,
charts and illustrations.

Regards,

TK9
jneal
2003-12-18 00:40:45 UTC
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Thank you so much Tonya!
Post by TonyaK911
Post by jneal
You know of any good documents available on the net concerning
collaboration of the nazis and arabs?
I recall there was one pretty good post by Deborah on the subject in these
NGs.
Have any criteria to narrow the search (date, topic, forum, group?)
Deborah has written quite alot, and I do most writing on-line, and
have limited time.

I thank you for the refs., and I will look every single one up, as I
am interested in doing some studying in this specific area. thank you.

You, or someone else may know one specific question that I have. I
know that
there were some nazi's sent by Berlin to the mid-east on a singular
mission to set up death-camps with Arab collaborators. I am wondering
where and other facts concerning this? or of any i-net-capable site
which is competent in factual info., and if the camps wherever
constructed, etc.

thanks so much, youv'e been a help and friend.

shalom,

john
TonyaK911
2003-12-18 00:55:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by jneal
Thank you so much Tonya!
Post by TonyaK911
Post by jneal
You know of any good documents available on the net concerning
collaboration of the nazis and arabs?
I recall there was one pretty good post by Deborah on the subject in these
NGs.
Have any criteria to narrow the search (date, topic, forum, group?)
Deborah has written quite alot, and I do most writing on-line, and
have limited time.
I thank you for the refs., and I will look every single one up, as I
am interested in doing some studying in this specific area. thank you.
You, or someone else may know one specific question that I have. I
know that
there were some nazi's sent by Berlin to the mid-east on a singular
mission to set up death-camps with Arab collaborators. I am wondering
where and other facts concerning this? or of any i-net-capable site
which is competent in factual info., and if the camps wherever
constructed, etc.
thanks so much, youv'e been a help and friend.
shalom,
john
John,

The only story I'm familiar with is this one, which you can read at
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1423589.stm

Thursday, 5 July, 2001, 10:23 GMT 11:23 UK

Nazis planned Palestine subversion

By Rick Fountain at the Public Record Office

British secret intelligence files have been released in London about a
German wartime plan for subversion in Palestine, when the territory was
administered by Britain.

The plot involved parachute landings, thousands of gold coins and the Arab
Muslim leader, Mohammed Amin el-Hussaini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, who
was then living in exile in Berlin.

It also had the approval of Hitler's security chief, Heinrich Himmler.

But the project ended in fiasco.

Hostility

Palestine in 1944 was in a state of ferment, with the British Mandate
authorities struggling to keep the lid on violent hostility between Arab and
Jewish communities.

The Germans, on the other hand, wanted to make things a great deal worse and
planned - with the support of the Grand Mufti - to arm Palestinian villagers
and incite them to rise up against the Jews.

A small commando team of two German officers and three Arabs was formed in
Berlin in early 1944.

Their leader, Colonel Kurt Wieland, an Arabic speaker who knew Palestine,
had several meetings with the Mufti and they agreed a plan: drop by
parachute, establish a base, gather intelligence and radio it back to
Berlin; and recruit and arm Palestinian supporters with Nazi gold.

Just how it all went wrong is documented in the transcripts of
interrogations by MI5 officers of Colonel Wieland and two of his men who
were captured.

Meddling

Before the team flew out, the Mufti's people meddled in Colonel Wieland's
careful plans, changing his equipment without telling him.

The first flight was abandoned.

Then when they were on their way, in October 1944, the pilot lost his way
and flew too high when they began their jump.

They had planned a landing north of Jericho but instead landed south, lost
their radio equipment and became separated.

Colonel Wieland and his two companions hid in an Arab village, in a cave and
a ruined monastery.

They found no support for any Arab uprising and were captured a week later.
The other two men were never found.
TonyaK911
2003-12-17 02:20:54 UTC
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Post by AnonMoos
The whole Howard Dean "even-handed" mid-east policy flap occurred over
a month ago, and Dean still has many Jewish supporters. I think that
if Dean is nominated, he'll probably turn out to be the McGovern of
2004 (electorally speaking), but I'm not sure there's much point in
opposing him solely on the grounds of his attitude towards Israel
(there are at least three other candidates in the democratic candidate
field who are even less pro-Israel than Dean is).
Since we are talking the candidate(s) from the left competing with each
other for the fastest disengagement from Israel, here is a very interesting
article written by John J. Ray, which sheds some light on the origins of
this trend. The article is called MODERN LEFTISM AS RECYCLED FASCISM, and
you can find it at http://jonjayray.tripod.com/musso.html .

Good reading!

TK9
Jim F.
2003-12-17 15:02:26 UTC
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Post by TonyaK911
Post by AnonMoos
The whole Howard Dean "even-handed" mid-east policy flap occurred over
a month ago, and Dean still has many Jewish supporters. I think that
if Dean is nominated, he'll probably turn out to be the McGovern of
2004 (electorally speaking), but I'm not sure there's much point in
opposing him solely on the grounds of his attitude towards Israel
(there are at least three other candidates in the democratic candidate
field who are even less pro-Israel than Dean is).
Since we are talking the candidate(s) from the left competing with each
other for the fastest disengagement from Israel, here is a very interesting
article written by John J. Ray, which sheds some light on the origins of
this trend. The article is called MODERN LEFTISM AS RECYCLED FASCISM, and
you can find it at http://jonjayray.tripod.com/musso.html .
Figures that Tonya would swallow tripe like John Ray's article.
That article is a textbook example of how a writer can build
an entire case upon a tissue of logical fallacies. Indeed I
challenge the readership here to discern how many different
logical fallacies can be found in that article. I will give readers
a hint, start with the fallacies of ambiguity as when Mr. Ray
attempts to make us of the fact that the young Mussolini
was a Socialist (who naturally enough subscribed at the
time to Socialist positions) to make the case that modern
leftism is somehow the same or a recycling of Fascism
since after all the mature Mussolini, the dictator of Italy,
was after all a Fascist. Thus Mr. Ray attempts to show
that the antimilitarism of contemporary leftists is somehow
fascist. And how does Mr. Ray attempt to establish
this? By quoting antimilitarist statements from the
young Mussolini back when he was still a Socialist
agitator. Then Mr. Ray writes:

"This from Carsten (1967, p. 46). It is from an article that was
published by Mussolini in the Socialist Party organ "Avanti!"
of 22 September, 1914. So Mussolini's anti-militarism persisted
until he was aged 31. When compared with Mussolini's subsequent
career this shows exactly where anti-militaristic and antiwar sentiments
can ultimately lead."

Mr. Ray neglects to mention that with the outbreak of WW I,
Mussolini dropped his anti-militarism completely, coming out
as strong nationalist in strong support of Italy's entrance into the war.
And of course by the end of that war, Mussolini had dropped his
membership in the Socialist Party and soon shifted to the extreme
right politically. I take it that Mr. Ray thinks that contemporary
leftists who are anti-militarists can be expected to follow suit.
Of course elsewhere in the article, Ray admits all this but
apart from showing how one politician over the course
of his career can all do sorts of flip-flops over all sorts of
issues (hardly an unprecedented or even unusual phenomenon)
so what is this supposed to prove? That because Musslini had
been at one time a Socialist and was later a Fascist that
therefore contemporary leftists who might be drawn to
socialism are therefore really Fascists? I suppose that by that
token, since Ronald Reagan as a young man was
very much a left-leaning New Dealer who according to
his biographer, Edmund Morris, even once applied for
membership in the Communist Party, that therefore
contemporary conservative Republicans must really
be recycled commies!

I note that Mr. Ray is no longer in academic life. In fact I wonder
how he ever managed to get an academic post in the
first place. I guess academic standards "down under"
were lower than I had supposed.

Jim F.
Post by TonyaK911
Good reading!
TK9
Passerby
2003-12-17 02:00:24 UTC
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George W. is not the best president there is. But any alternative
is so much worse...
Post by Common ?
HOWARD DEAN PROMISED THAT IF HE IS ELECTED
PRESIDENT, THE UNITED STATES WILL NO LONGER
SUPPORT ISRAEL THE WAY IT HAS IN THE PAST
UNDER BOTH DEMOCRATIC AND REPUBLICAN
PRESIDENTS.
IN HIS OWN WORDS HE WILL INSIST THAT THE
UNITED STATES BE "EVEN HANDED" . THIS IS A
TERM REGULARLY EMPLOYED BY ARAFAT AND HIS
COTERIE OF ADHERENTS THAT MEANS TO BE
ANTI-ISRAEL!!
GOVERNOR DEAN MADE THESE COMMENTS ON CNN
ON SEPTEMBER 10,2003 ON THE WOLF BLITZER
SHOW. HE HAS REPEATED THOSE WORDS SINCE.
IF THIS WERE NOT ENOUGH, GOVERNOR DEAN ON
THAT SAME SHOW CHARACTERIZED THE HAMAS
TERRORISTS AS "SOLDIERS".
FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE 9/11 WE HAVE SOMEONE
RUNNING FOR THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES CALLING TERRORISTS SOLDIERS.
I URGE YOU THAT IF YOU HAVE ANY LOVE FOR
AMERICA AND ISRAEL YOU SHOULD NOT AND CANNOT
VOTE FOR HOWARD DEAN FOR THE OFFICE OF
PRESIDENT.
THIS COMING ELECTION MAY VERY WELL BE ONE OF
THE MOST IMPORTANT IN DECADES.
PLEASE PASS THIS MESSAGE ON TO AS MANY OF
YOUR FAMILY AND FRIENDS AS YOU CAN.
TonyaK911
2003-12-17 02:06:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by Passerby
George W. is not the best president there is. But any alternative
is so much worse...
YES!!!
Those who are not blinded by their political indoctrination can clearly see
that you're right.
The problem though is - the Left doesn't want to be right.

TK9
Post by Passerby
Post by Common ?
HOWARD DEAN PROMISED THAT IF HE IS ELECTED
PRESIDENT, THE UNITED STATES WILL NO LONGER
SUPPORT ISRAEL THE WAY IT HAS IN THE PAST
UNDER BOTH DEMOCRATIC AND REPUBLICAN
PRESIDENTS.
IN HIS OWN WORDS HE WILL INSIST THAT THE
UNITED STATES BE "EVEN HANDED" . THIS IS A
TERM REGULARLY EMPLOYED BY ARAFAT AND HIS
COTERIE OF ADHERENTS THAT MEANS TO BE
ANTI-ISRAEL!!
ams67
2003-12-17 07:01:20 UTC
Permalink
Post by Common ?
HOWARD DEAN PROMISED THAT IF HE IS ELECTED
PRESIDENT, THE UNITED STATES WILL NO LONGER
SUPPORT ISRAEL THE WAY IT HAS IN THE PAST
UNDER BOTH DEMOCRATIC AND REPUBLICAN
PRESIDENTS.
..
The Mossad will try to kill him. Then, again, they will make the murder as
it was originated by terrorists from Syria. So another country will be
occupied... :-\
K
Susan Cohen
2003-12-17 18:45:42 UTC
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Post by ams67
Post by Common ?
HOWARD DEAN PROMISED THAT IF HE IS ELECTED
PRESIDENT, THE UNITED STATES WILL NO LONGER
SUPPORT ISRAEL THE WAY IT HAS IN THE PAST
UNDER BOTH DEMOCRATIC AND REPUBLICAN
PRESIDENTS.
..
The Mossad will try to kill him. Then, again, they will make the murder as
it was originated by terrorists from Syria. So another country will be
occupied... :-\
Hey, that was pretty good.
Do you have a whole routine, or is it just one-liners?

Susan
g***@hotmail.com
2003-12-17 11:19:13 UTC
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Post by Common ?
HOWARD DEAN
The most disturbing thing about this guy is his professed faith in
institutions like the UN.
Bill Levinson
2003-12-18 01:18:45 UTC
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Post by g***@hotmail.com
Post by Common ?
HOWARD DEAN
The most disturbing thing about this guy is his professed faith in
institutions like the UN.
That automatically makes him unfit to be President.

--Bill

http://www.omdurman.org/
TonyaK911
2003-12-19 18:35:25 UTC
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Post by Bill Levinson
Post by g***@hotmail.com
The most disturbing thing about this guy is his professed faith in
institutions like the UN.
That automatically makes him unfit to be President.
--Bill
http://www.omdurman.org/
DEAN'S LOOSE LIPS
Linda Chavez

December 17, 2003
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/lindachavez/lc20031217.shtml

Howard Dean is increasingly looking like he's come unhinged. While the
Democratic front-runner shows no sign of slowing his long march toward his
party's nomination, he has begun saying things that are not only
irresponsible, they sound downright wacky.

First there was Dean's accusation that the president might have been warned
about the September 11, 2001, attacks. On the Diane Rehm show on National
Public Radio, Dean said, "The most interesting theory that I have heard so
far, which is nothing more than a theory, I can't think -- it can't be
proved, is that he was warned ahead of time by the Saudis. Now who knows
what the real situation is."

Dean tried to back away from the nutty accusation a week later when
interviewed by Chris Wallace on "Fox News Sunday." "Why would you say that,"
Wallace asked him, "Do you believe that?" To which Dean replied, "No, I
don't believe that. I can't imagine the president of the United States doing
that. But we don't know, and it'd be a nice thing to know."

A nice thing to know? I suppose it would be nice to know that the president
is not really an alien from outer space sent to rule the world. But most of
us who are sane creatures assume that is the case -- certainly no one has to
prove it to us.

But Dean can't help himself from saying weird things. On Monday, in what was
billed as his first major foreign policy address, Dean said that "The
capture of Saddam has not made America safer."

No doubt Dean would be happier if Saddam were still on the loose, since he,
and indeed many in the Democratic Party, had pointed to the inability to
capture either Saddam or Osama bin Laden as one of President Bush's major
failures in the war on terrorism. But to say that Americans are no safer
with Saddam behind bars is just plain strange.

Sen. Joseph Lieberman accused Dean of "climbing into his own spider hole of
denial." Lieberman sounded offended, as an American: "Saddam Hussein is a
homicidal maniac, brutal dictator, supporter of terrorism and enemy of the
United States, and there should be no doubt that America and the world are
safer with him captured."

Howard Dean is an angry man, and he lashes out with such venom and hatred
that he sometimes can't control his words -- or those of his most ardent
followers. At a recent fundraiser, Dean stood off stage while comedian Judy
Gold said of the president of the United States, "We have to get this piece
of living, breathing s--- out of the office." Kate Lloyd, another comedian
at the event, drew laughs when she referred to Michael Jackson's pending
charges of child molestation. "Frankly, I'm far more frightened of
Condoleezza Rice," she said, and then went on to refer to Vice President
Dick Cheney's wife as Lon Chaney, an actor in horror movies. And trash-mouth
comedian Janeane Garofalo, referred to the new Medicare prescription drug
bill as the " 'you can go f--- yourself, Grandma' bill."

Dean chose to go onstage anyway, forfeiting an opportunity to pull a Bill
Clinton "Sister Souljah" move. In 1992, candidate Bill Clinton chastised
Jesse Jackson for inviting Sister Souljah to a Rainbow Coalition event
because the rapper had suggested, in the wake of the 1992 Los Angeles riots,
"If black people kill black people every day, why not have a week and kill
white people."

The most Howard Dean would say when he came onstage after the comedians had
spewed their filth was a vague reference to some of the language that was
used -- which was directed more at the "N" word liberally sprinkled
throughout some of the routines. "I just don't have much tolerance for
ethnic humor," Dean said. "We are all one community."

When a Washington Post reporter asked Dean about the role anger plays in his
campaign, "Dean responds negatively -- in fact, angrily, to the suggestion
that his campaign is driven by anger." But that anger is making the
candidate behave as if he were slightly unbalanced. George W. Bush may drive
some Democrats crazy, but they better hope their likely nominee gets a grip
on himself soon, or he'll make the whole party look mad next November.
______________________________________________
Linda Chavez is President of the Center for Equal Opportunity, a
Townhall.com member organization.
©2003 Creators Syndicate, Inc.

Bill Levinson
2003-12-18 00:48:14 UTC
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Post by Common ?
HOWARD DEAN PROMISED THAT IF HE IS ELECTED
PRESIDENT, THE UNITED STATES WILL NO LONGER
SUPPORT ISRAEL THE WAY IT HAS IN THE PAST
UNDER BOTH DEMOCRATIC AND REPUBLICAN
PRESIDENTS.
IN HIS OWN WORDS HE WILL INSIST THAT THE
UNITED STATES BE "EVEN HANDED" . THIS IS A
TERM REGULARLY EMPLOYED BY ARAFAT AND HIS
COTERIE OF ADHERENTS THAT MEANS TO BE
ANTI-ISRAEL!!
GOVERNOR DEAN MADE THESE COMMENTS ON CNN
ON SEPTEMBER 10,2003
One day short of the 2nd anniversary of when Mr. Dean's "soldiers"
murdered 3000 Americans.
Post by Common ?
ON THE WOLF BLITZER
SHOW. HE HAS REPEATED THOSE WORDS SINCE.
IF THIS WERE NOT ENOUGH, GOVERNOR DEAN ON
THAT SAME SHOW CHARACTERIZED THE HAMAS
TERRORISTS AS "SOLDIERS".
FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE 9/11 WE HAVE SOMEONE
RUNNING FOR THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES CALLING TERRORISTS SOLDIERS.
I wonder if Mr. Dean also considers the nineteen Islamofascist ragheads
who slit flight attendants' throats and then crashed four airplanes on
9/11/01 "soldiers." And maybe the terrorists who attack American
soldiers in Iraq while dressed as civilians are "soldiers."

We need to let the entire country know what kind of scum Howard Dean is.

--Bill

http://www.omdurman.org/
TonyaK911
2003-12-18 01:05:38 UTC
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Post by Bill Levinson
I wonder if Mr. Dean also considers the nineteen Islamofascist ragheads
who slit flight attendants' throats and then crashed four airplanes on
9/11/01 "soldiers." And maybe the terrorists who attack American
soldiers in Iraq while dressed as civilians are "soldiers."
We need to let the entire country know what kind of scum Howard Dean is.
--Bill
http://www.omdurman.org/
As I wrote above:

"United States should not take sides in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict."
- Howard Dean, September 9 Democratic debate.

Translation for the illiterate: when one side is perpetrating acts of terror
and the other side retaliates against the terrorists, we should not take
sides!

"I would prefer and strongly speak out against violence of any kind in the
Middle East. That's what I mean by being even-handed. Somebody asked me --
even-handed was a poor choice of words, as I now find out."
- Dean's exact words from CNN's transcript

Screw the choice of words, Dean! We perfectly well understand what you're
saying: when one side is perpetrating acts of terror and the other side
retaliates against the terrorists, we will be condemning both sides for
"violence"!

TK9
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