Discussion:
The West looks forward to another holocaust of the Jews
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s***@gmail.com
2009-01-04 17:52:32 UTC
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source: http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/3204131/the-moral-battleground.thtml

And so now begins the second and most difficult stage. Inside Israel,
there is both determination and dread as tens of thousands of Israel’s
conscript army are called to the front. Untold numbers of these
soldiers will lose their lives as the result not merely of the
genocidal aims of Hamas (and its Iranian puppet-master) but also the
indifference and pusillanimity towards Palestinian terror displayed by
world governments over the past six decades of Israel’s fight for
survival, along with the active encouragement of genocidal Islamists
by leftists, Jew-haters, Muslims and useful idiots who were on such
thuggish display yesterday in the co-ordinated demonstrations in
British and other western cities.

Such people have made no protest at the bombardment of Israeli towns
by more than 6000 rockets in the past six years, deliberately
targeting innocent civilians. They have made no protest at the way
Hamas has used Gazan civilians as human shields, situating its
murderous arsenals beneath apartment blocks, in schools and hospitals
and mosques in order to maximise the numbers of civilians killed (in
order to manipulate all-too pliable western opinion). No, their
protest only starts when Israel finally takes the military action
aimed at stopping this genocidal barrage.

The worst thing is the moral inversion, in which the murderous
victimisation of innocent Israelis is ignored while their murderers
are described as ‘civilians’ when they are finally killed by the
Israelis -- who are demonstrably taking care to avoid civilian
casualties wherever possible. Tragically, civilians always die in
wars; and unfortunately there will undoubtedly be more civilian
casualties in Gaza – along with deaths among Israeli troops -- as the
war goes on. But the frenzied misrepresentations, double standards and
moral inversion fuelling a hysteria in the west which in turn can only
incite more genocidal violence are simply depraved.

Particularly striking in its malice is the way in which the treatment
of wounded Palestinians in Israeli hospitals is ignored – while news
of the barbaric behaviour of Hamas in Gaza’s hospitals is airbrushed
out of the picture. At WSJ’s Opinion Journal, James Taranto noted that
a report of this scene in a Gaza hospital briefly appeared in the New
York Times a couple of days ago:

Armed Hamas militants in civilian clothes roamed the halls. Asked
their function, they said it was to provide security. But there was
internal bloodletting under way. In the fourth-floor orthopaedic
section, a woman in her late 20s asked a militant to let her see Saleh
Hajoj, her 32-year-old husband. She was turned away and left the
hospital. Fifteen minutes later, Mr. Hajoj was carried out by young
men pretending to transfer him to another ward. As he lay on the
stretcher, he was shot in the left side of the head. Mr. Hajoj, like
five others killed at the hospital this way in 24 hours, [my emphasis]
was accused of collaboration with Israel. He had been in the central
prison awaiting trial by Hamas judges; when Israel destroyed the
prison on Sunday he and the others were transferred to the hospital.
But their trials were short-circuited...

You won’t find that passage now on the New York Times website because,
soon after it appeared, it unaccountably vanished into the ether*. Nor
will many in Britain or the west be aware of this:

Dozens of Gaza Arabs are being treated in Ashkelon’s Barzilai Hospital
at the same time terrorists are bombarding the city. The medical
facility, the largest on the southern coast, is in the line of rocket
fire, and medical staff often have to stop caring for patients and run
for cover during air raid warnings. The 500-bed Barzilai Hospital has
close ties with Gaza City's Shifa Hospital, Barzilai deputy director
Dr. Ron Lobel told the Associated Press. ‘It might seem completely
absurd, but we have the privilege to be doctors. Our medical ethics do
not distinguish between patients. We treat whoever needs to be
treated,’ he said

One Gaza Arab woman refused to identify herself to AP [Associated
Press] because of fear of retribution by terrorists if it were known
that her two-month-old granddaughter is being treated in an Israeli
hospital. ‘I am very sad and hurt. We want peace, not war,’ she said
as Israel began retaliating after hundreds of Arab rocket and mortar
attacks, some of them lethal.

The moral inversion in the west is so egregious, so monstrous, that
the better Israel is shown to behave the worse the vilification that
rains down upon it. What other country in the world would show such
restraint in the face of more than 6000 rocket attacks upon its
citizens – 6000! – that it took seven years before going to war to put
a stop to it? What other country would treat individuals – including
proven terrorists – from that enemy territory in its own hospitals?
What other country would continue to provide essential foodstuffs and
other supplies to those enemies who continued to fire rockets at it?
What other country, when finally forced to go to war to stop the
attacks, would show such concern to avoid the loss of civilian life
that it contacts the population in enemy territory -- even households
containing identified terrorists – to warn them to flee from the
imminent bombardment? And what other country would, for showing such
unparalleled moral scrupulousness, be vilified and libelled as Israel
is?

Israel’s behaviour is moral, legal and proportionate. This conflict is
revealing just who is on the side of morality, decency and sanity and
who is not. The President of the Czech Republic, who is also the
incoming president of the EU, has emerged in the former camp,
declaring stoutly that Israel’s behaviour is both just and necessary.
France’s president Sarkozy, however, has called upon both sides to
stop hostilities – a moral equivalence which effectively gives Hamas
victory by requiring Israel to abandon the defence of its citizens.
Similarly in Britain, Foreign Secretary David Miliband has repeated
his call for an immediate cease-fire – while Prime Minister Gordon
Brown, according to this Telegraph piece, has apparently complained to
Israel’s Prime Minister Olmert that too many people have died.

Would that be, perhaps, too many Hamas terrorists who have died? Would
Brown have preferred that more of them continued to live so that they
could carry on murdering more Israelis?

In startling contrast Farid Ghadry, President of the Reform Party of
Syria, has written:

We Arabs must be the ones to stop Hamas and Hizbullah, rather than
support their demonic and twisted logic of resisting development,
enlightenment, and progress of the region. Even when development and
enlightenment stare them in the face, their instinct is to destroy
them pretending to safeguard their honor, the mechanics of which
supersede all else including a happy life of fulfillment and
accomplishments.

So while we abhor violence of all kind, Israel's campaign against
Hamas must continue to the bitter end not only for the sake of peace
but also to help Arabs realize they have a choice: Destroy like Gaza
or develop like Dubai. Will this happen soon? Maybe not, but if a wake-
up call and a nudge, once in a while, to pierce through the fog of
deceit perpetrated by Syria and Iran is what it takes to see the
light, then we stand by the West and Israel in the only hope that an
Arab Renaissance in the Levant may actually have a chance of
resurrection.

Alas, many in the west don’t stand with Farid Ghadry. They stand
instead with Hamas. Whatever platitudes they mouthe, it is clear that
they really don’t want Israel to survive at all.

The moral dividing line in this battle is very clear. Those who stand
with Israel are on the side of morality, justice, and civilisation.
Those in the media and public life who denounce Israel for having the
temerity to defend its people are the fellow-travellers of barbarism.
Having done so much to embolden and strengthen Hamas and Iran, who are
playing them for suckers, they are continuing to stoke the fires of
irrational hatred and genocidal hysteria. As Israeli soldiers die,
along with the Palestinian victims of Hamas whether as ‘collaborators’
or human shields, their blood will be on these hypocritical western
hands.
Viejo Vizcacha
2009-01-04 18:11:03 UTC
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source:http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/3204131/the-moral-battlegr...
And so now begins the second and most difficult stage. Inside Israel,
there is both determination and dread as tens of thousands of Israel’s
conscript army are called to the front. Untold numbers of these
Untold numbers of Palestinians have already lost their lives at the
hands of Israel, and untold more continue to lose it every hour.
soldiers will lose their lives as the result not merely of the
genocidal aims of Hamas (and its Iranian puppet-master) but also the
Hamas has no "genocidal" aims. Hamas, after witnessing the failure of
the secular Al Fatah in bringing any portion of the stolen land back
to the Palestinian people, participated in Palestinian elections and
won them fairly.
indifference and pusillanimity towards Palestinian terror displayed by
world governments over the past six decades of Israel’s fight for
survival, along with the active encouragement of genocidal Islamists
by leftists, Jew-haters, Muslims and useful idiots who were on such
thuggish display yesterday in the co-ordinated demonstrations in
British and other western cities.
Palestinians learned terrorism from the Zionists who murdered British,
Arabs, and even innocent Jews in their rush to create the state of
Israel.
Such people have made no protest at the bombardment of Israeli towns
by more than 6000 rockets in the past six years, deliberately
targeting innocent civilians. They have made no protest at the way
"deliberately targeting?" Those rockets can fall anywhere.
Palestinians have no way of knowing where it is going to fall, and
some of them fall on Gaza, and most of them on desolated areas. If
they were so "deliberately targeted", then we should say that
Palestinians have shown a lot of restraint, since those 6000 rockets
have killed less than a dozen Israelis.


VV
Hamas has used Gazan civilians as human shields, situating its
murderous arsenals beneath apartment blocks, in schools and hospitals
and mosques in order to maximise the numbers of civilians killed (in
order to manipulate all-too pliable western opinion). No, their
protest only starts when Israel finally takes the military action
aimed at stopping this genocidal barrage.
The worst thing is the moral inversion, in which the murderous
victimisation of innocent Israelis is ignored while their murderers
are described as ‘civilians’ when they are finally killed by the
Israelis -- who are demonstrably taking care to avoid civilian
casualties wherever possible. Tragically, civilians always die in
wars; and unfortunately there will undoubtedly be more civilian
casualties in Gaza – along with deaths among Israeli troops -- as the
war goes on. But the frenzied misrepresentations, double standards and
moral inversion fuelling a hysteria in the west which in turn can only
incite more genocidal violence are simply depraved.
Particularly striking in its malice is the way in which the treatment
of wounded Palestinians in Israeli hospitals is ignored – while news
of the barbaric behaviour of Hamas in Gaza’s hospitals is airbrushed
out of the picture. At WSJ’s Opinion Journal, James Taranto noted that
a report of this scene in a Gaza hospital briefly appeared in the New
Armed Hamas militants in civilian clothes roamed the halls. Asked
their function, they said it was to provide security. But there was
internal bloodletting under way. In the fourth-floor orthopaedic
section, a woman in her late 20s asked a militant to let her see Saleh
Hajoj, her 32-year-old husband. She was turned away and left the
hospital. Fifteen minutes later, Mr. Hajoj was carried out by young
men pretending to transfer him to another ward. As he lay on the
stretcher, he was shot in the left side of the head. Mr. Hajoj, like
five others killed at the hospital this way in 24 hours, [my emphasis]
was accused of collaboration with Israel. He had been in the central
prison awaiting trial by Hamas judges; when Israel destroyed the
prison on Sunday he and the others were transferred to the hospital.
But their trials were short-circuited...
You won’t find that passage now on the New York Times website because,
soon after it appeared, it unaccountably vanished into the ether*. Nor
Dozens of Gaza Arabs are being treated in Ashkelon’s Barzilai Hospital
at the same time terrorists are bombarding the city. The medical
facility, the largest on the southern coast, is in the line of rocket
fire, and medical staff often have to stop caring for patients and run
for cover during air raid warnings. The 500-bed Barzilai Hospital has
close ties with Gaza City's Shifa Hospital, Barzilai deputy director
Dr. Ron Lobel told the Associated Press. ‘It might seem completely
absurd, but we have the privilege to be doctors. Our medical ethics do
not distinguish between patients. We treat whoever needs to be
treated,’ he said
One Gaza Arab woman refused to identify herself to AP [Associated
Press] because of fear of retribution by terrorists if it were known
that her two-month-old granddaughter is being treated in an Israeli
hospital. ‘I am very sad and hurt. We want peace, not war,’ she said
as Israel began retaliating after hundreds of Arab rocket and mortar
attacks, some of them lethal.
The moral inversion in the west is so egregious, so monstrous, that
the better Israel is shown to behave the worse the vilification that
rains down upon it. What other country in the world would show such
restraint in the face of more than 6000 rocket attacks upon its
citizens – 6000! – that it took seven years before going to war to put
a stop to it? What other country would treat individuals – including
proven terrorists – from that enemy territory in its own hospitals?
What other country would continue to provide essential foodstuffs and
other supplies to those enemies who continued to fire rockets at it?
What other country, when finally forced to go to war to stop the
attacks, would show such concern to avoid the loss of civilian life
that it contacts the population in enemy territory -- even households
containing identified terrorists – to warn them to flee from the
imminent bombardment? And what other country would, for showing such
unparalleled moral scrupulousness, be vilified and libelled as Israel
is?
Israel’s behaviour is moral, legal and proportionate. This conflict is
revealing just who is on the side of morality, decency and sanity and
who is not. The President of the Czech Republic, who is also the
incoming president of the EU, has emerged in the former camp,
declaring stoutly that Israel’s behaviour is both just and necessary.
France’s president Sarkozy, however, has called upon both sides to
stop hostilities – a moral equivalence which effectively gives Hamas
victory by requiring Israel to abandon the defence of its citizens.
Similarly in Britain, Foreign Secretary David Miliband has repeated
his call for an immediate cease-fire – while Prime Minister Gordon
Brown, according to this Telegraph piece, has apparently complained to
Israel’s Prime Minister Olmert that too many people have died.
Would that be, perhaps, too many Hamas terrorists who have died? Would
Brown have preferred that more of them continued to live so that they
could carry on murdering more Israelis?
In startling contrast Farid Ghadry, President of the Reform Party of
We Arabs must be the ones to stop Hamas and Hizbullah, rather than
support their demonic and twisted logic of resisting development,
enlightenment, and progress of the region. Even when development and
enlightenment stare them in the face, their instinct is to destroy
them pretending to safeguard their honor, the mechanics of which
supersede all else including a happy life of fulfillment and
accomplishments.
So while we abhor violence of all kind, Israel's campaign against
Hamas must continue to the bitter end not only for the sake of peace
but also to help Arabs realize they have a choice: Destroy like Gaza
or develop like Dubai. Will this happen soon? Maybe not, but if a wake-
up call and a nudge, once in a while, to pierce through the fog of
deceit perpetrated by Syria and Iran is what it takes to see the
light, then we stand by the West and Israel in the only hope that an
Arab Renaissance in the Levant may actually have a chance of
resurrection.
Alas, many in the west don’t stand with Farid Ghadry. They stand
instead with Hamas. Whatever platitudes they mouthe, it is clear that
they really don’t want Israel to survive at all.
The moral dividing line in this battle is very clear. Those who stand
with Israel are on the side of morality, justice, and civilisation.
Those in the media and public life who denounce Israel for having the
temerity to defend its people are the fellow-travellers of barbarism.
Having done so much to embolden and strengthen Hamas and Iran, who are
playing them for suckers, they are continuing to stoke the fires of
irrational hatred and genocidal hysteria. As Israeli soldiers die,
along with the Palestinian victims of Hamas whether as ‘collaborators’
or human shields, their blood will be on these hypocritical western
hands.
drref
2009-01-04 18:15:15 UTC
Permalink
"Hamas has no "genocidal" aims. Hamas, after witnessing the failure of
the secular Al Fatah in bringing any portion of the stolen land back
to the Palestinian people, participated in Palestinian elections and
won them fairly.

bullshit:
Hamas founding charter
a.. Article 7 of the Hamas Covenant states the following: "The Day of
Judgement will not come about until Muslems fight the Jews (killing the
Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees
will say O Muslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.
Only the Gharkad tree, (the Cedar tree) would not do that because it is one
of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Muslem).
a.. Article 22 claims that the French revolution, the Russian revolution,
colonialism and both world wars were created by the Zionists. It also claims
the Freemasons and Rotary clubs are Zionist fronts.
"You may speak as much as you want about regional and world wars. They
were behind World War I, when they were able to destroy the Islamic
Caliphate, making financial gains and controlling resources. They obtained
the Balfour Declaration, formed the League of Nations through which they
could rule the world. They were behind World War II, through which they made
huge financial gains by trading in armaments, and paved the way for the
establishment of their state. It was they who instigated the replacement of
the League of Nations with the United Nations and the Security Council to
enable them to rule the world through them. There is no war going on
anywhere, without having their finger in it."[102]

a.. Furthermore, Article 32 of the Covenant makes reference to The
Protocols of the Elders of Zion:
"Today it is Palestine, tomorrow it will be one country or another. The
Zionist plan is limitless. After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand
from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they
overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is
embodied in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", and their present conduct
is the best proof of what we are saying."


Expressions by Hamas prominent figures and scholars
a.. A report by MEMRI from 2002 states that the Hamas monthly Falastin
Al-Muslima published a series of articles by Ibrahim Al-'Ali on how Allah
punished the Jews by transforming them into animals such as "apes, pigs,
mice, and lizards". According to MEMRI, the author stated that "The
transformation was actual" and not metaphoric.[103]
a.. In an editorial in The Guardian in January 2006, Khaled Meshaal, the
chief of Hamas's political bureau denied antisemitism:
"Our message to the Israelis is this: We do not fight you because you
belong to a certain faith or culture. Jews have lived in the Muslim world
for 13 centuries in peace and harmony; they are in our religion "the people
of the book" who have a covenant from God and his messenger, Muhammad (peace
be upon him), to be respected and protected."
"Our conflict with you is not religious but political. We have no problem
with Jews who have not attacked us - our problem is with those who came to
our land, imposed themselves on us by force, destroyed our society and
banished our people."[6]

a.. In an interview aired on Al-Aqsa TV on April 9, 2008, Hamas Culture
Minister Atallah Abu Al-Subh stated that "The Protocols of the Elders of
Zion is the faith that every Jew harbors in his heart".[104]
a.. In 2008 Imam Yousif al-Zahar of Hamas said in his sermon at the Katib
Wilayat mosque in Gaza that "Jews are a people who cannot be trusted. They
have been traitors to all agreements. Go back to history. Their fate is
their vanishing."[105][106]
a.. Sheik Yunus al-Astal, a Hamas legislator and imam, in a column in the
weekly newspaper Al Risalah in 2008 discussed a Koranic verse suggesting
that "suffering by fire is the Jews' destiny in this world and the next."
Astal concluded "Therefore we are sure that the Holocaust is still to come
upon the Jews.[105][106]
a.. "We will not rest until we destroy the Zionist entity" said Hamas
leader Fathi Hammad in Gaza on Friday January 2nd 2009 - quoted by the BBC
and numerous media sources. [3]

Holocaust denial
a.. According to MEMRI, In 2003 Hamas leader Abdel Aziz Rantisi published
an article in the Hamas weekly Al-Risala in which he called the Holocaust
"the false Holocaust" and "the greatest of lies". In this article Rantisi
expressed support to Holocaust deniers Roger Garaudy, David Irving, Gerd
Honsik, and Fredrick Töben, and to the idea that the gas chambers were a
myth. Rantisi also stated that "the Nazis received tremendous financial aid
from the Zionist banks and monopolies, and this contributed to their rise to
power", and accused the Jewish owned Berlin-based investment bank
Mendelssohn & Co. of funding the Nazis, calling it a "Zionist bank".[107]
a.. In 2005, Khaled Mashaal described Ahmadinejad's Holocaust denial as
"courageous" and stated that "...Muslim people will defend Iran because it
voices what they have in their hearts, in particular the Palestinian
people."[108]
Palestinians learned terrorism from the Zionists who murdered British,
Arabs, and even innocent Jews in their rush to create the state of
Israel.

care to Cite???
Post by s***@gmail.com
Such people have made no protest at the bombardment of Israeli towns
by more than 6000 rockets in the past six years, deliberately
targeting innocent civilians. They have made no protest at the way
"deliberately targeting?" Those rockets can fall anywhere.
Palestinians have no way of knowing where it is going to fall, and
some of them fall on Gaza, and most of them on desolated areas.


Let me see if I have this right. You aim at me, and some of your shots hit
your friends, but it is NOT your fault???
Viejo Vizcacha
2009-01-04 19:03:01 UTC
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Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Palestinians learned terrorism from the Zionists who murdered British,
Arabs, and even innocent Jews in their rush to create the state of
Israel.
care to Cite???
Have you ever heard of the Irgun Tsvai Leumi, of Hotel king David, of
the massacre of Dair Yasin? It might do you good to study the history
of modern Israel.
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by s***@gmail.com
Such people have made no protest at the bombardment of Israeli towns
by more than 6000 rockets in the past six years, deliberately
targeting innocent civilians. They have made no protest at the way
"deliberately targeting?"  Those rockets can fall anywhere.
Palestinians have no way of knowing where it is going to fall, and
some of them fall on Gaza, and most of them on desolated areas.
Let me see if I have this right. You aim at me, and some of your shots hit
your friends, but it is NOT your fault???
That is the logic of Israel when they bomb Palestinians and some
Israeli soldier taken as hostage is killed.

VV
broadssailor
2009-01-04 19:11:46 UTC
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Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Have you ever heard of the Irgun Tsvai Leumi, of Hotel king David, of
the massacre of Dair Yasin?  It might do you good to study the history
of modern Israel.
VV
How interesting, isn't it, that the Zionista never comment on these
atrocities conducted by their own side.
drref
2009-01-05 00:20:27 UTC
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Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Have you ever heard of the Irgun Tsvai Leumi, of Hotel king David, of
the massacre of Dair Yasin? It might do you good to study the history
of modern Israel.
VV
How interesting, isn't it, that the Zionista never comment on these
atrocities conducted by their own side.

All prior to establishment of the State. But now that you mention it:
a- Irgun targeted military
b- King David albiet wrong, targeted Military
c- Deir Yassin caused heads to roll on the Israeli side. Never saw the
palisimeans punish a terrorist.
Viejo Vizcacha
2009-01-05 01:02:26 UTC
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Post by broadssailor
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Have you ever heard of the Irgun Tsvai Leumi, of Hotel king David, of
the massacre of Dair Yasin? It might do you good to study the history
of modern Israel.
VV
How interesting, isn't it, that the Zionista never comment on these
atrocities conducted by their own side.
a- Irgun targeted military
Not true.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irgun_attacks_during_the_1930s


Matter of fact, many of their acts were in response to attacks from
Arabs. Thus, as retaliation targets any Arab would do. Most of their
targets were Arab civilians.
Post by broadssailor
b- King David albiet wrong, targeted Military
Most of the dead were civilians, including 17 Jews. Furthermore, the
method of the attack was particularly terrorist: one bomb first, then
people gather around, and more charges went off. Almost one hundred
dead, including the Jews mentioned before.
Post by broadssailor
c- Deir Yassin caused heads to roll on the Israeli side.  Never saw the
palisimeans punish a terrorist.
What heads? The main facilitator of Deir Yassin was Ariel Sharon. As
far as I know, he still has his head attached.


Is it too much to ask of the defenders of Israel that they inform
themselves before posting lies?


VV
broadssailor
2009-01-05 10:00:47 UTC
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On 5 Jan, 01:02, Viejo Vizcacha <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
The main facilitator of Deir Yassin was Ariel Sharon.  As
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
far as I know, he still has his head attached.
VV
Even if there isn't much left in it - tee hee !
B J Foster
2009-01-04 20:00:00 UTC
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Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Palestinians learned terrorism from the Zionists who murdered British,
Arabs, and even innocent Jews in their rush to create the state of
Israel.
care to Cite???
Have you ever heard of the Irgun Tsvai Leumi, of Hotel king David, of
the massacre of Dair Yasin? It might do you good to study the history
of modern Israel.
Menachem Begin must be turning in his grave, with regret for the ONE
SINGLE SOLITARY INCIDENT of terrorism (in 1946!!!) that gets cited over
& over again by enemies of Israel as an example of terrorism
Lou Ravi
2009-01-05 09:13:40 UTC
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Post by B J Foster
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Palestinians learned terrorism from the Zionists who murdered
British, Arabs, and even innocent Jews in their rush to create the
state of Israel.
care to Cite???
Have you ever heard of the Irgun Tsvai Leumi, of Hotel king David, of
the massacre of Dair Yasin? It might do you good to study the
history of modern Israel.
Menachem Begin must be turning in his grave, with regret for the ONE
SINGLE SOLITARY INCIDENT of terrorism (in 1946!!!) that gets cited
over & over again by enemies of Israel as an example of terrorism
Er what? Here's a list posted recently by someone. looks like somewhat
more than one terrorist atack to me

March, 1937 2 Arabs killed on Bat-Yam beach[citation needed] -
April 12, 1938 2 Arabs and 2 British policemen were killed by a bomb
in a train in Haifa. -
April 17, 1938 An Arab was killed by a bomb detonated in a cafe in
Haifa -
May 17, 1938 An Arab policeman was killed in an attack on a bus in
the Jerusalem-Hebron road. -
May 24, 1938 3 Arabs were shot and killed in Haifa. -
June 23, 1938 2 Arabs were killed near Tel-Aviv. -
June 26, 1938 7 Arabs were killed by a bomb in Jaffa. -
June 27, 1938 An Arab was killed in the yard of a hospital in Haifa.
-
Late June, 1938 Unspecified number of Arabs killed by a bomb that was
thrown into a crowded Arab market place in Jerusalem. [10] -
July 5, 1938 7 Arabs were killed in several shooting attacks in Tel-
Aviv. -
On the same day 3 Arabs were killed by a bomb detonated in a bus in
Jerusalem. -
On the same day an Arab was killed in another attack in Jerusalem. -
July 6 1938 18 Arabs and 5 Jews were killed by two simultaneous bombs
in the Arab Melon market in Haifa. -
July 8, 1938 4 Arabs were killed by a bomb in Jerusalem. -
July 16, 1938 10 Arabs were killed by a bomb at a marketplace in
Jerusalem. -
July 25, 1938 53 Arabs were killed by a bomb at a marketplace in
Haifa. -
August 26, 1938 24 Arabs were killed by a bomb at a marketplace in
Jaffa. -
February 27, 1939 33 Arabs were killed in multiple attacks, incl. 24
by bomb in Arab market in Suk Quarter of Haifa
and 4 by bomb in Arab vegetable market in Jerusalem. -
May 29, 1939 5 Arabs were killed by a mine detonated at the Rex
cinema in Jerusalem. -
On the same day 5 Arabs were shot and killed during a raid on the
village of Biyar 'Adas. -
June 2, 1939 5 Arabs were killed by a bomb at the Jaffa Gate in
Jerusalem -
June 12, 1939 A post office in Jerusalem was bombed, killing a
British bomb expert trying to defuse the bombs. -
June 16, 1939 6 Arabs were killed in several attacks in Jerusalem. -
June 19, 1939 20 Arabs were killed by explosives mounted on a donkey
at a marketplace in Haifa. -
June 29, 1939 13 Arabs were killed in multiple shootings during one-
hour period. -
June 30, 1939 An Arab was killed at a marketplace in Jerusalem. -
On the same day 2 Arabs were shot and killed in Lifta. -
July 3, 1939 An Arab was killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Haifa.
-
July 4, 1939 2 Arabs were killed in two attacks in Jerusalem. -
July 20, 1939 An Arab was killed at a train station in Jaffa. -
On the same day 6 Arabs were killed in several attacks in Tel-Aviv.
-
On the same day 3 Arabs were killed in Rehovot. -
August 27, 1939 2 British officers were killed by a mine in
Jerusalem. -
September 27, 1944 ~150 Irgun members attacked four British police
stations; unknown number of casualties [11] -
September 29, 1944 senior British police officer of the Criminal
Intelligence Department assassinated in Jerusalem [11] -
July 22, 1946 King David Hotel Bombing; 91 fatalities, most civilians
-- 41 Arabs, 17 Jews, and 15 British [12]
Ariadne
2009-01-05 09:51:39 UTC
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Post by Lou Ravi
Post by B J Foster
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Palestinians learned terrorism from the Zionists who murdered
British, Arabs, and even innocent Jews in their rush to create the
state of Israel.
care to Cite???
Have you ever heard of the Irgun Tsvai Leumi, of Hotel king David, of
the massacre of Dair Yasin?  It might do you good to study the
history of modern Israel.
Menachem Begin must be turning in his grave, with regret for the ONE
SINGLE SOLITARY INCIDENT of terrorism (in 1946!!!) that gets cited
over & over again by enemies of Israel as an example of terrorism
Er what? Here's a list posted recently by someone. looks like somewhat
more than one terrorist atack to me
March, 1937 2 Arabs killed on Bat-Yam beach[citation needed] -
April 12, 1938 2 Arabs and 2 British policemen were killed by a bomb
in a train in Haifa. -
April 17, 1938 An Arab was killed by a bomb detonated in a cafe in
Haifa -
May 17, 1938 An Arab policeman was killed in an attack on a bus in
the Jerusalem-Hebron road. -
May 24, 1938 3 Arabs were shot and killed in Haifa. -
June 23, 1938 2 Arabs were killed near Tel-Aviv. -
June 26, 1938 7 Arabs were killed by a bomb in Jaffa. -
June 27, 1938 An Arab was killed in the yard of a hospital in Haifa.
-
Late June, 1938 Unspecified number of Arabs killed by a bomb that was
thrown into a crowded Arab market place in Jerusalem. [10] -
July 5, 1938 7 Arabs were killed in several shooting attacks in Tel-
Aviv. -
On the same day 3 Arabs were killed by a bomb detonated in a bus in
Jerusalem. -
On the same day an Arab was killed in another attack in Jerusalem. -
July 6 1938 18 Arabs and 5 Jews were killed by two simultaneous bombs
in the Arab Melon market in Haifa. -
July 8, 1938 4 Arabs were killed by a bomb in Jerusalem. -
July 16, 1938 10 Arabs were killed by a bomb at a marketplace in
Jerusalem. -
July 25, 1938 53 Arabs were killed by a bomb at a marketplace in
Haifa. -
August 26, 1938 24 Arabs were killed by a bomb at a marketplace in
Jaffa. -
February 27, 1939 33 Arabs were killed in multiple attacks, incl. 24
by bomb in Arab market in Suk Quarter of Haifa
and 4 by bomb in Arab vegetable market in Jerusalem. -
May 29, 1939 5 Arabs were killed by a mine detonated at the Rex
cinema in Jerusalem. -
On the same day 5 Arabs were shot and killed during a raid on the
village of Biyar 'Adas. -
June 2, 1939 5 Arabs were killed by a bomb at the Jaffa Gate in
Jerusalem -
June 12, 1939 A post office in Jerusalem was bombed, killing a
British bomb expert trying to defuse the bombs. -
June 16, 1939 6 Arabs were killed in several attacks in Jerusalem. -
June 19, 1939 20 Arabs were killed by explosives mounted on a donkey
at a marketplace in Haifa. -
June 29, 1939 13 Arabs were killed in multiple shootings during one-
hour period. -
June 30, 1939 An Arab was killed at a marketplace in Jerusalem. -
On the same day 2 Arabs were shot and killed in Lifta. -
July 3, 1939 An Arab was killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Haifa.
-
July 4, 1939 2 Arabs were killed in two attacks in Jerusalem. -
July 20, 1939 An Arab was killed at a train station in Jaffa. -
On the same day 6 Arabs were killed in several attacks in Tel-Aviv.
-
On the same day 3 Arabs were killed in Rehovot. -
August 27, 1939 2 British officers were killed by a mine in
Jerusalem. -
September 27, 1944 ~150 Irgun members attacked four British police
stations; unknown number of casualties [11] -
September 29, 1944 senior British police officer of the Criminal
Intelligence Department assassinated in Jerusalem [11] -
July 22, 1946 King David Hotel Bombing; 91 fatalities, most civilians
-- 41 Arabs, 17 Jews, and 15 British [12]- Hide quoted text -
Arab or other Jew-haters' propaganda list.

Some Jewish national home!

http://www.etzel.org.il/english/ac09.htm
drref
2009-01-05 00:19:00 UTC
Permalink
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Palestinians learned terrorism from the Zionists who murdered British,
Arabs, and even innocent Jews in their rush to create the state of
Israel.
care to Cite???
Have you ever heard of the Irgun Tsvai Leumi, of Hotel king David, of
the massacre of Dair Yasin? It might do you good to study the history
of modern Israel.

All three before the establishment of the Sovereign State. Irgun was ended
by Israel immediately upon establishment of the State. King David Hotel was
before the establishement of the State. And you skipped the innocent Jews
[deir Yassing was april 1948, the State was May 1948]
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by s***@gmail.com
Such people have made no protest at the bombardment of Israeli towns
by more than 6000 rockets in the past six years, deliberately
targeting innocent civilians. They have made no protest at the way
"deliberately targeting?" Those rockets can fall anywhere.
Palestinians have no way of knowing where it is going to fall, and
some of them fall on Gaza, and most of them on desolated areas.
Let me see if I have this right. You aim at me, and some of your shots hit
your friends, but it is NOT your fault???
That is the logic of Israel when they bomb Palestinians and some
Israeli soldier taken as hostage is killed.


It is common logic. All that money, all that time and all they have done is
buy Weapons and have a shit lifestyle. No infrastructure, no commerce, no
nothing.
Geniuses.
Viejo Vizcacha
2009-01-05 00:39:19 UTC
Permalink
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Palestinians learned terrorism from the Zionists who murdered British,
Arabs, and even innocent Jews in their rush to create the state of
Israel.
care to Cite???
Have you ever heard of the Irgun Tsvai Leumi, of Hotel king David, of
the massacre of Dair Yasin?  It might do you good to study the history
of modern Israel.
All three before the establishment of the Sovereign State.  Irgun was ended
by Israel immediately upon establishment of the State.  King David Hotel was
before the establishement of the State. And you skipped the innocent Jews
[deir Yassing was april 1948, the State was May 1948]
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by s***@gmail.com
Such people have made no protest at the bombardment of Israeli towns
by more than 6000 rockets in the past six years, deliberately
targeting innocent civilians. They have made no protest at the way
"deliberately targeting?" Those rockets can fall anywhere.
Palestinians have no way of knowing where it is going to fall, and
some of them fall on Gaza, and most of them on desolated areas.
Let me see if I have this right. You aim at me, and some of your shots hit
your friends, but it is NOT your fault???
That is the logic of Israel when they bomb Palestinians and some
Israeli soldier taken as hostage is killed.
It is common logic. All that money, all that time and all they have done is
buy Weapons and have a shit lifestyle.  No infrastructure, no commerce, no
nothing.
Geniuses.
I love your logic. It is very similar to what George Bernard Shaw
once said about racists in the US: they do not let the negroes do
anything but shine shoes, and then comment that negroes are only good
for shining shoes. Israel takes the land of Palestinians, bombs the
houses of Palestinians, uproots the olive trees of Palestinians,
destroys their orchards, puts their men in prisons, demolish the
schools of their children, blows up their factories, cuts the
electricity to their homes, closes their ports of entry, destroys
their airports, kills them when they are having a picnic at a beach,
and then, upon seeing them in total destitution, use that fact to
conclude that thos Pallies are good for nothing.


ViejoVizcacha
drref
2009-01-05 01:44:18 UTC
Permalink
I love your logic. It is very similar to what George Bernard Shaw
once said about racists in the US: they do not let the negroes do
anything but shine shoes, and then comment that negroes are only good
for shining shoes. Israel takes the land of Palestinians, bombs the
houses of Palestinians, uproots the olive trees of Palestinians,
destroys their orchards, puts their men in prisons, demolish the
schools of their children, blows up their factories, cuts the
electricity to their homes, closes their ports of entry, destroys
their airports, kills them when they are having a picnic at a beach,
and then, upon seeing them in total destitution, use that fact to
conclude that thos Pallies are good for nothing.


ViejoVizcacha


Look, let me go to the end of the Story:
Israel with all its warts exists. It will continute to exist; It refuses to
be destroyed.
Now the Palies want to destroy it. The Israelies are not cooperating. You
can bring up any wrongs, legit or percieved and you cannot get past that
simple fact:
Israel exists, by virtue of a UN mandate, and the Palies dont want to accept
ANY OF IT, not 1948, 1947, 1967 or anything.

So what do you want Israel to do???

Just that answer: What would you have Israel do.
Viejo Vizcacha
2009-01-05 02:48:59 UTC
Permalink
I love your logic.  It is very similar to what George Bernard Shaw
once said about racists in the US:  they do not let the negroes do
anything but shine shoes, and then comment that negroes are only good
for shining shoes.  Israel takes the land of Palestinians, bombs the
houses of Palestinians, uproots the olive trees of Palestinians,
destroys their orchards, puts their men in prisons, demolish the
schools of their children, blows up their factories, cuts the
electricity to their homes, closes their ports of entry,  destroys
their airports, kills them when they are having a picnic at a beach,
and then, upon seeing them in total destitution, use that fact to
conclude that thos Pallies are good for nothing.
ViejoVizcacha
Israel with all its warts exists. It will continute to exist;  It refuses to
be destroyed.
Now the Palies want to destroy it. The Israelies are not cooperating. You
can bring up any wrongs, legit or percieved and you cannot get past that
Israel exists, by virtue of a UN mandate, and the Palies dont want to accept
ANY OF IT, not 1948, 1947, 1967 or anything.
So what do you want Israel to do???
Just that answer: What would you have Israel do.
1948 gave 55% to Jews and 45% to Arabs. Right now Israel rules 100%
of it. I would like Israel to offer Palesitnians 40% of that. If
Israel offers 40% of that (still 5% less than what Palestinians were
assigned by the UN) then I would start blaming Palestinians for not
accepting that offer. Offering them anything less than that, is
robbery.

Regards,

ViejoVizcacha
drref
2009-01-05 03:42:17 UTC
Permalink
I love your logic. It is very similar to what George Bernard Shaw
once said about racists in the US: they do not let the negroes do
anything but shine shoes, and then comment that negroes are only good
for shining shoes. Israel takes the land of Palestinians, bombs the
houses of Palestinians, uproots the olive trees of Palestinians,
destroys their orchards, puts their men in prisons, demolish the
schools of their children, blows up their factories, cuts the
electricity to their homes, closes their ports of entry, destroys
their airports, kills them when they are having a picnic at a beach,
and then, upon seeing them in total destitution, use that fact to
conclude that thos Pallies are good for nothing.
ViejoVizcacha
Israel with all its warts exists. It will continute to exist; It refuses
to
be destroyed.
Now the Palies want to destroy it. The Israelies are not cooperating. You
can bring up any wrongs, legit or percieved and you cannot get past that
Israel exists, by virtue of a UN mandate, and the Palies dont want to accept
ANY OF IT, not 1948, 1947, 1967 or anything.
So what do you want Israel to do???
Just that answer: What would you have Israel do.
1948 gave 55% to Jews and 45% to Arabs. Right now Israel rules 100%
of it. I would like Israel to offer Palesitnians 40% of that. If
Israel offers 40% of that (still 5% less than what Palestinians were
assigned by the UN) then I would start blaming Palestinians for not
accepting that offer. Offering them anything less than that, is
robbery.

Regards,

ViejoVizcacha

48 gave to the ARABS what is NOW called JORDAN and Gaza. It also gave the
Jews THE GOLAN HEIGHTS [5 km east of the Jordan River]. Now the fact is that
the Arabs are not getting what they want. The Jewish State is not getting
what it wants. Differene is that the Jews dont want the Arabs dead. The
Arabs on the other hand have a mantra of EVERY INCH OF PALESTINE and nothing
else. You cant negotiate with someone who wants you dead.
broadssailor
2009-01-05 10:06:59 UTC
Permalink
I love your logic. It is very similar to what George Bernard Shaw
once said about racists in the US: they do not let the negroes do
anything but shine shoes, and then comment that negroes are only good
for shining shoes. Israel takes the land of Palestinians, bombs the
houses of Palestinians, uproots the olive trees of Palestinians,
destroys their orchards, puts their men in prisons, demolish the
schools of their children, blows up their factories, cuts the
electricity to their homes, closes their ports of entry, destroys
their airports, kills them when they are having a picnic at a beach,
and then, upon seeing them in total destitution, use that fact to
conclude that thos Pallies are good for nothing.
ViejoVizcacha
Israel with all its warts exists. It will continute to exist; It refuses
to
be destroyed.
Now the Palies want to destroy it. The Israelies are not cooperating. You
can bring up any wrongs, legit or percieved and you cannot get past that
Israel exists, by virtue of a UN mandate, and the Palies dont want to accept
ANY OF IT, not 1948, 1947, 1967 or anything.
So what do you want Israel to do???
Just that answer: What would you have Israel do.
1948 gave 55% to Jews and 45% to Arabs.  Right now Israel rules 100%
of it.  I would like Israel to offer Palesitnians 40% of that.  If
Israel offers 40% of that (still 5% less than what Palestinians were
assigned by the UN) then I would start blaming Palestinians for not
accepting that offer.  Offering them anything less than that, is
robbery.
Regards,
ViejoVizcacha
48 gave to the ARABS what is NOW called JORDAN and Gaza.  It also gave the
Jews THE GOLAN HEIGHTS [5 km east of the Jordan River]. Now the fact is that
the Arabs are not getting what they want. The Jewish State is not getting
what it wants. Differene is that the Jews dont want the Arabs dead. The
Arabs on the other hand have a mantra of EVERY INCH OF PALESTINE and nothing
else. You cant negotiate with someone who wants you dead.
The "Lord" gave the Jews everything from the Sinai Peninsula in Egypt
all the way to the Euphrates River in Iraq, and some of Lebanon
(Genesis 15:18) . They want it back. Therein lies the problem!
Viejo Vizcacha
2009-01-05 23:47:35 UTC
Permalink
I love your logic. It is very similar to what George Bernard Shaw
once said about racists in the US: they do not let the negroes do
anything but shine shoes, and then comment that negroes are only good
for shining shoes. Israel takes the land of Palestinians, bombs the
houses of Palestinians, uproots the olive trees of Palestinians,
destroys their orchards, puts their men in prisons, demolish the
schools of their children, blows up their factories, cuts the
electricity to their homes, closes their ports of entry, destroys
their airports, kills them when they are having a picnic at a beach,
and then, upon seeing them in total destitution, use that fact to
conclude that thos Pallies are good for nothing.
ViejoVizcacha
Israel with all its warts exists. It will continute to exist; It refuses
to
be destroyed.
Now the Palies want to destroy it. The Israelies are not cooperating. You
can bring up any wrongs, legit or percieved and you cannot get past that
Israel exists, by virtue of a UN mandate, and the Palies dont want to accept
ANY OF IT, not 1948, 1947, 1967 or anything.
So what do you want Israel to do???
Just that answer: What would you have Israel do.
1948 gave 55% to Jews and 45% to Arabs.  Right now Israel rules 100%
of it.  I would like Israel to offer Palesitnians 40% of that.  If
Israel offers 40% of that (still 5% less than what Palestinians were
assigned by the UN) then I would start blaming Palestinians for not
accepting that offer.  Offering them anything less than that, is
robbery.
Regards,
ViejoVizcacha
48 gave to the ARABS what is NOW called JORDAN and Gaza.  It also gave the
Jews THE GOLAN HEIGHTS [5 km east of the Jordan River]. Now the fact is that
the Arabs are not getting what they want. The Jewish State is not getting
what it wants. Differene is that the Jews dont want the Arabs dead. The
Arabs on the other hand have a mantra of EVERY INCH OF PALESTINE and nothing
else. You cant negotiate with someone who wants you dead.
It is not my intention to shame you, but you come here with so many
lies that I would be lying if I did not answer. Please click on the
link to a map of Palestine that refutes almost any word you wrote.

Loading Image...

Cheers,
ViejoVizcacha
B J Foster
2009-01-06 00:51:58 UTC
Permalink
...
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by drref
48 gave to the ARABS what is NOW called JORDAN and Gaza. It also gave the
Jews THE GOLAN HEIGHTS [5 km east of the Jordan River]. Now the fact is that
the Arabs are not getting what they want. The Jewish State is not getting
what it wants. Differene is that the Jews dont want the Arabs dead. The
Arabs on the other hand have a mantra of EVERY INCH OF PALESTINE and nothing
else. You cant negotiate with someone who wants you dead.
It is not my intention to shame you, but you come here with so many
lies that I would be lying if I did not answer. Please click on the
link to a map of Palestine that refutes almost any word you wrote.
http://www.warchat.org/pictures/arab_israel_war_1948-1949_map_2.jpg
Cheers,
ViejoVizcacha
In the latest round, Israel conformed to Oslo and the roadmap by leaving
closing settlements in occupied West Bank and Gaza.

If the government does not achieve anything by this act of good faith,
i.e. peace, then ultimately Israeli voters will elect a government that
no longer makes any concessions. The signs are that this has already
happened.

If/when it happens, you will blame the "jooz" again, but in reality it
will be because Hamas did not respond to the closure of settlements with
a corresponding act of good faith, e.g. stopping attacks on civilians.
Viejo Vizcacha
2009-01-06 01:55:39 UTC
Permalink
Post by B J Foster
...
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
48 gave to the ARABS what is NOW called JORDAN and Gaza.  It also gave the
Jews THE GOLAN HEIGHTS [5 km east of the Jordan River]. Now the fact is that
the Arabs are not getting what they want. The Jewish State is not getting
what it wants. Differene is that the Jews dont want the Arabs dead. The
Arabs on the other hand have a mantra of EVERY INCH OF PALESTINE and nothing
else. You cant negotiate with someone who wants you dead.
It is not my intention to shame you, but you come here with so many
lies that I would be lying if I did not answer.  Please click on the
link to a map of Palestine that refutes almost any word you wrote.
http://www.warchat.org/pictures/arab_israel_war_1948-1949_map_2.jpg
Cheers,
ViejoVizcacha
In the latest round, Israel conformed to Oslo and the roadmap by leaving
closing settlements in occupied West Bank and Gaza.
Closing one settlement and opening three more. Israel is not
committed to peace, because an Israel in peace would cease to receive
the enormous amounts it currently gets from the US. The US not only
is not putting preasure on Israel to sit at the peace table, but it is
actually putting preasure NOT to sit at the peace table.
Post by B J Foster
If the government does not achieve anything by this act of good faith,
i.e. peace, then ultimately Israeli voters will elect a government that
no longer makes any concessions. The signs are that this has already
happened.
Israeli voters, like US voters are being manipulated. I do not
condone what Israel voters do, but it is very understandable. There
are billions upon billions of dollars sent by the US to Israel, with
only one condition: do not relinquish a square inch of Israel, because
that is the land given to you by god herself. A jobless Israeli Jew
has better chances of securing a mortgage for a house in one of the
settlements in the West Bank than in any part of Israel proper. Money
from Christian fundamentalists have pouring into Israel for almost
three decades now, and that money has already infected Israeli
politics. As I said before, the people in the US and many in israel
are convinced that it is Israel that is setting the policies, but they
are wrong. Israel gets money from the US because Israel is doing US
biding in the region.
Post by B J Foster
If/when it happens, you will blame the "jooz" again, but in reality it
will be because Hamas did not respond to the closure of settlements with
a corresponding act of good faith, e.g. stopping attacks on civilians.
Please show me where I have used the term "jooz". I am respectful,
and try to show it in my language, and I do not use ethnic or racial
slurs. My name is Luis Gomez, name that I share with the Jewish
person that financed the construction of the first synagogue in North
America. I hope to be wrong, but it appears that you are assigning
that slur to me in order to disqualify my comments using a fallacy.
This particular fallacy is called straw man.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html


Cheers,
ViejoVizcacha
B J Foster
2009-01-06 02:13:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by B J Foster
...
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by drref
48 gave to the ARABS what is NOW called JORDAN and Gaza. It also gave the
Jews THE GOLAN HEIGHTS [5 km east of the Jordan River]. Now the fact is that
the Arabs are not getting what they want. The Jewish State is not getting
what it wants. Differene is that the Jews dont want the Arabs dead. The
Arabs on the other hand have a mantra of EVERY INCH OF PALESTINE and nothing
else. You cant negotiate with someone who wants you dead.
It is not my intention to shame you, but you come here with so many
lies that I would be lying if I did not answer. Please click on the
link to a map of Palestine that refutes almost any word you wrote.
http://www.warchat.org/pictures/arab_israel_war_1948-1949_map_2.jpg
Cheers,
ViejoVizcacha
In the latest round, Israel conformed to Oslo and the roadmap by leaving
closing settlements in occupied West Bank and Gaza.
Closing one settlement and opening three more. Israel is not
committed to peace, because an Israel in peace would cease to receive
the enormous amounts it currently gets from the US. The US not only
is not putting preasure on Israel to sit at the peace table, but it is
actually putting preasure NOT to sit at the peace table.
All of the settlements in Gaza have been closed and vacated.
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by B J Foster
If the government does not achieve anything by this act of good faith,
i.e. peace, then ultimately Israeli voters will elect a government that
no longer makes any concessions. The signs are that this has already
happened.
Israeli voters, like US voters are being manipulated. I do not
condone what Israel voters do, but it is very understandable.
Voters want results from their government. If disengagement and closure
of the settlements does not achieve peace then they will lose patience
and elect elect another government. If war continues it will be Hamas'
fault because Isarel held out the olive branch and it was refused and
instead Hamas started attacking civilians.
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
There
are billions upon billions of dollars sent by the US to Israel, with
only one condition: do not relinquish a square inch of Israel, because
that is the land given to you by god herself. A jobless Israeli Jew
has better chances of securing a mortgage for a house in one of the
settlements in the West Bank than in any part of Israel proper. Money
from Christian fundamentalists have pouring into Israel for almost
three decades now, and that money has already infected Israeli
politics. As I said before, the people in the US and many in israel
are convinced that it is Israel that is setting the policies, but they
are wrong. Israel gets money from the US because Israel is doing US
biding in the region.
Half of you lot claim that Israel controls the USA and the other half
claim that the USA controls Israel. Make up your minds.
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by B J Foster
If/when it happens, you will blame the "jooz" again, but in reality it
will be because Hamas did not respond to the closure of settlements with
a corresponding act of good faith, e.g. stopping attacks on civilians.
Please show me where I have used the term "jooz". I am respectful,
and try to show it in my language, and I do not use ethnic or racial
slurs.
Fine, then I apologise. You will be held to this standard you have set
for yourself.
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
My name is Luis Gomez, name that I share with the Jewish
person that financed the construction of the first synagogue in North
America. I hope to be wrong, but it appears that you are assigning
that slur to me in order to disqualify my comments using a fallacy.
This particular fallacy is called straw man.
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html
Cheers,
ViejoVizcacha
Viejo Vizcacha
2009-01-06 02:21:16 UTC
Permalink
Post by B J Foster
Post by B J Foster
...
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
48 gave to the ARABS what is NOW called JORDAN and Gaza.  It also gave the
Jews THE GOLAN HEIGHTS [5 km east of the Jordan River]. Now the fact is that
the Arabs are not getting what they want. The Jewish State is not getting
what it wants. Differene is that the Jews dont want the Arabs dead. The
Arabs on the other hand have a mantra of EVERY INCH OF PALESTINE and nothing
else. You cant negotiate with someone who wants you dead.
It is not my intention to shame you, but you come here with so many
lies that I would be lying if I did not answer.  Please click on the
link to a map of Palestine that refutes almost any word you wrote.
http://www.warchat.org/pictures/arab_israel_war_1948-1949_map_2.jpg
Cheers,
ViejoVizcacha
In the latest round, Israel conformed to Oslo and the roadmap by leaving
closing settlements in occupied West Bank and Gaza.
Closing one settlement and opening three more.  Israel is not
committed to peace, because an Israel in peace would cease to receive
the enormous amounts it currently gets from the US.  The US not only
is not putting preasure on Israel to sit at the peace table, but it is
actually putting preasure NOT to sit at the peace table.
All of the settlements in Gaza have been closed and vacated.
Post by B J Foster
If the government does not achieve anything by this act of good faith,
i.e. peace, then ultimately Israeli voters will elect a government that
no longer makes any concessions. The signs are that this has already
happened.
Israeli voters, like US voters are being manipulated.  I do not
condone what Israel voters do, but it is very understandable.  
Voters want results from their government. If disengagement and closure
of the settlements does not achieve peace then they will lose patience
and elect elect another government. If war continues it will be Hamas'
fault because Isarel held out the olive branch and it was refused and
instead Hamas started attacking civilians.
There
are billions upon billions of dollars sent by the US to Israel, with
only one condition: do not relinquish a square inch of Israel, because
that is the land given to you by god herself.  A jobless Israeli Jew
has better chances of securing a mortgage for a house in one of the
settlements in the West Bank than in any part of Israel proper.  Money
from Christian fundamentalists have pouring into Israel for almost
three decades now, and that money has already infected Israeli
politics.  As I said before, the people in the US and many in israel
are convinced that it is Israel that is setting the policies, but they
are wrong.  Israel gets money from the US because Israel is doing US
biding in the region.
Half of you lot claim that Israel controls the USA and the other half
claim that the USA controls Israel. Make up your minds.
Are you seriously asking me to march at the beat of the racists,
Nazis, Jew-haters, and anti-Semites? Thanks, but no thanks. I am not
part of any "lot", except the lot that wants to see peace in the
Middle East, a fair and just peace that recognizes the wrong doings of
the past, not to dwell on them, but to correct them


Cheers,
VV
Post by B J Foster
Post by B J Foster
If/when it happens, you will blame the "jooz" again, but in reality it
will be because Hamas did not respond to the closure of settlements with
a corresponding act of good faith, e.g. stopping attacks on civilians.
Please show me where I have used the term "jooz".  I am respectful,
and try to show it in my language, and I do not use ethnic or racial
slurs.
Fine, then I apologise. You will be held to this standard you have set
for yourself.
My name is Luis Gomez, name that I share with the Jewish
person that financed the construction of the first synagogue in North
America.  I hope to be wrong, but it appears that you are assigning
that slur to me in order to disqualify my comments using a fallacy.
This particular fallacy is called straw man.
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html
Cheers,
ViejoVizcacha
B J Foster
2009-01-06 02:36:37 UTC
Permalink
...
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by B J Foster
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by B J Foster
If the government does not achieve anything by this act of good faith,
i.e. peace, then ultimately Israeli voters will elect a government that
no longer makes any concessions. The signs are that this has already
happened.
Israeli voters, like US voters are being manipulated. I do not
condone what Israel voters do, but it is very understandable.
Voters want results from their government. If disengagement and closure
of the settlements does not achieve peace then they will lose patience
and elect elect another government. If war continues it will be Hamas'
fault because Isarel held out the olive branch and it was refused and
instead Hamas started attacking civilians.
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
There
are billions upon billions of dollars sent by the US to Israel, with
only one condition: do not relinquish a square inch of Israel, because
that is the land given to you by god herself. A jobless Israeli Jew
has better chances of securing a mortgage for a house in one of the
settlements in the West Bank than in any part of Israel proper. Money
from Christian fundamentalists have pouring into Israel for almost
three decades now, and that money has already infected Israeli
politics. As I said before, the people in the US and many in israel
are convinced that it is Israel that is setting the policies, but they
are wrong. Israel gets money from the US because Israel is doing US
biding in the region.
Half of you lot claim that Israel controls the USA and the other half
claim that the USA controls Israel. Make up your minds.
Are you seriously asking me to march at the beat of the racists,
Nazis, Jew-haters, and anti-Semites? Thanks, but no thanks. I am not
part of any "lot", except the lot that wants to see peace in the
Middle East, a fair and just peace that recognizes the wrong doings of
the past, not to dwell on them, but to correct them
Cheers,
VV
Well, you matched a certain stereotype there for a moment.

If you are going to make claims like:
"There are billions upon billions of dollars sent by the US to Israel,
with only one condition: do not relinquish a square inch of Israel,
because that is the land given to you by god herself"
then you need to back them up.

We had some fuckwit in here a month ago bitching about Frank Lowy
donating money to Israeli charities when Frank Lowy has made an
*enormous* contribution to Australia and we regularly see the same sort
of garbage posted by that 'lot'.

If you are not part of that 'lot' then I apologise, but you need to back
up your claims.
Viejo Vizcacha
2009-01-06 03:01:15 UTC
Permalink
Post by B J Foster
...
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by B J Foster
Post by B J Foster
If the government does not achieve anything by this act of good faith,
i.e. peace, then ultimately Israeli voters will elect a government that
no longer makes any concessions. The signs are that this has already
happened.
Israeli voters, like US voters are being manipulated.  I do not
condone what Israel voters do, but it is very understandable.  
Voters want results from their government. If disengagement and closure
of the settlements does not achieve peace then they will lose patience
and elect elect another government. If war continues it will be Hamas'
fault because Isarel held out the olive branch and it was refused and
instead Hamas started attacking civilians.
There
are billions upon billions of dollars sent by the US to Israel, with
only one condition: do not relinquish a square inch of Israel, because
that is the land given to you by god herself.  A jobless Israeli Jew
has better chances of securing a mortgage for a house in one of the
settlements in the West Bank than in any part of Israel proper.  Money
from Christian fundamentalists have pouring into Israel for almost
three decades now, and that money has already infected Israeli
politics.  As I said before, the people in the US and many in israel
are convinced that it is Israel that is setting the policies, but they
are wrong.  Israel gets money from the US because Israel is doing US
biding in the region.
Half of you lot claim that Israel controls the USA and the other half
claim that the USA controls Israel. Make up your minds.
Are you seriously asking me to march at the beat of the racists,
Nazis, Jew-haters, and anti-Semites?  Thanks, but no thanks.  I am not
part of any "lot", except the lot that wants to see peace in the
Middle East, a fair and just peace that recognizes the wrong doings of
the past, not to dwell on them, but to correct them
Cheers,
VV
Well, you matched a certain stereotype there for a moment.
"There are billions upon billions of dollars sent by the US to Israel,
with only one condition: do not relinquish a square inch of Israel,
because that is the land given to you by god herself"
then you need to back them up.
We had some fuckwit in here a month ago bitching about Frank Lowy
donating money to Israeli charities when Frank Lowy has made an
*enormous* contribution to Australia and we regularly see the same sort
of garbage posted by that 'lot'.
If you are not part of that 'lot' then I apologise, but you need to back
up your claims.
One does not need a lot of investigative skills to find the Christian
fundamentalists behind the uS support of the Likud party, and the
Israeli settlers.

http://www.c4israel.org/c4i/projects/help_jews_come_home

http://www.cufi.org/site/PageServer?pagename=donate

http://mediamatters.org/items/200601050004

http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2005/03/07/christian-evang/

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2002/07/10/MN17001.DTL


Hope these help.


Regards,

ViejoVizcacha
Viejo Vizcacha
2009-01-06 03:03:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by B J Foster
...
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by B J Foster
Post by B J Foster
If the government does not achieve anything by this act of good faith,
i.e. peace, then ultimately Israeli voters will elect a government that
no longer makes any concessions. The signs are that this has already
happened.
Israeli voters, like US voters are being manipulated.  I do not
condone what Israel voters do, but it is very understandable.  
Voters want results from their government. If disengagement and closure
of the settlements does not achieve peace then they will lose patience
and elect elect another government. If war continues it will be Hamas'
fault because Isarel held out the olive branch and it was refused and
instead Hamas started attacking civilians.
There
are billions upon billions of dollars sent by the US to Israel, with
only one condition: do not relinquish a square inch of Israel, because
that is the land given to you by god herself.  A jobless Israeli Jew
has better chances of securing a mortgage for a house in one of the
settlements in the West Bank than in any part of Israel proper.  Money
from Christian fundamentalists have pouring into Israel for almost
three decades now, and that money has already infected Israeli
politics.  As I said before, the people in the US and many in israel
are convinced that it is Israel that is setting the policies, but they
are wrong.  Israel gets money from the US because Israel is doing US
biding in the region.
Half of you lot claim that Israel controls the USA and the other half
claim that the USA controls Israel. Make up your minds.
Are you seriously asking me to march at the beat of the racists,
Nazis, Jew-haters, and anti-Semites?  Thanks, but no thanks.  I am not
part of any "lot", except the lot that wants to see peace in the
Middle East, a fair and just peace that recognizes the wrong doings of
the past, not to dwell on them, but to correct them
Cheers,
VV
Well, you matched a certain stereotype there for a moment.
"There are billions upon billions of dollars sent by the US to Israel,
with only one condition: do not relinquish a square inch of Israel,
because that is the land given to you by god herself"
then you need to back them up.
We had some fuckwit in here a month ago bitching about Frank Lowy
donating money to Israeli charities when Frank Lowy has made an
*enormous* contribution to Australia and we regularly see the same sort
of garbage posted by that 'lot'.
If you are not part of that 'lot' then I apologise, but you need to back
up your claims.
One does not need a lot of investigative skills to find the Christian
fundamentalists behind the uS support of the Likud party, and the
Israeli settlers.
http://www.c4israel.org/c4i/projects/help_jews_come_home
http://www.cufi.org/site/PageServer?pagename=donate
http://mediamatters.org/items/200601050004
http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2005/03/07/christian-evang/
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2002/07/10/MN1700...
Hope these help.
Regards,
ViejoVizcacha
BTW, there is no need to apologize. I get the sense that you are an
honest person. We all make assumptions about other people in these
newsgroups.

Cheers,

VV
B J Foster
2009-01-06 03:59:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by B J Foster
...
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by B J Foster
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by B J Foster
If the government does not achieve anything by this act of good faith,
i.e. peace, then ultimately Israeli voters will elect a government that
no longer makes any concessions. The signs are that this has already
happened.
Israeli voters, like US voters are being manipulated. I do not
condone what Israel voters do, but it is very understandable.
Voters want results from their government. If disengagement and closure
of the settlements does not achieve peace then they will lose patience
and elect elect another government. If war continues it will be Hamas'
fault because Isarel held out the olive branch and it was refused and
instead Hamas started attacking civilians.
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
There
are billions upon billions of dollars sent by the US to Israel, with
only one condition: do not relinquish a square inch of Israel, because
that is the land given to you by god herself. A jobless Israeli Jew
has better chances of securing a mortgage for a house in one of the
settlements in the West Bank than in any part of Israel proper. Money
from Christian fundamentalists have pouring into Israel for almost
three decades now, and that money has already infected Israeli
politics. As I said before, the people in the US and many in israel
are convinced that it is Israel that is setting the policies, but they
are wrong. Israel gets money from the US because Israel is doing US
biding in the region.
Half of you lot claim that Israel controls the USA and the other half
claim that the USA controls Israel. Make up your minds.
Are you seriously asking me to march at the beat of the racists,
Nazis, Jew-haters, and anti-Semites? Thanks, but no thanks. I am not
part of any "lot", except the lot that wants to see peace in the
Middle East, a fair and just peace that recognizes the wrong doings of
the past, not to dwell on them, but to correct them
Cheers,
VV
Well, you matched a certain stereotype there for a moment.
"There are billions upon billions of dollars sent by the US to Israel,
with only one condition: do not relinquish a square inch of Israel,
because that is the land given to you by god herself"
then you need to back them up.
We had some fuckwit in here a month ago bitching about Frank Lowy
donating money to Israeli charities when Frank Lowy has made an
*enormous* contribution to Australia and we regularly see the same sort
of garbage posted by that 'lot'.
If you are not part of that 'lot' then I apologise, but you need to back
up your claims.
One does not need a lot of investigative skills to find the Christian
fundamentalists behind the uS support of the Likud party, and the
Israeli settlers.
http://www.c4israel.org/c4i/projects/help_jews_come_home
"Our vision is to establish a global network of Christians having local
impact, for the blessing of the nation of Israel, the Jewish people and
the church".

Great stuff!
I wish there were more such positive missions out there
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
http://www.cufi.org/site/PageServer?pagename=donate
"Israel’s time of need is now. There is a new Hitler in the Middle East
--President Ahmadinejad of Iran -- who has threatened to wipe out Israel
and America and is rapidly acquiring the nuclear technology to make good
on his threat. If we learned anything from the Holocaust, it is that
when a madman threatens genocide we must take him seriously".

Ahmadinejad is almost certainly insane, e.g.
"In Iran we don't have homosexuals like in your country"
(Ahmadinejad at Columbia University)

Despite subsequent denials, his threat to "wipe Israel off the map" was
published on his own presidential website.
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
http://mediamatters.org/items/200601050004
"ROBERTSON: I have said last year that Israel was entering into the most
dangerous period of its entire existence as a nation.
...
He was dividing God's land, and I would say woe unto any prime minister
of Israel who takes a similar course to appease the EU, the United
Nations or United States of America. God said, 'This land belongs to me,
you better leave it alone'".

Nutter
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2005/03/07/christian-evang/
This appears to be the issue: According to Eckstein "The International
Fellowship of Christians and Jews ... contributes more than $100 million
annually for the sake of the State of Israel and the Jewish people.
These funds are not designated to construction of settlements, but to
genuine assistance to all sectors of the population, in areas such as
immigrant absorption, security and poverty"

and the author is disputing this:
"Eckstein’s explanation of where the money goes is entirely opaque"

So?

Isn't this an internal matter for The International Fellowship of
Christians and Jews?
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2002/07/10/MN17001.DTL
"The largest contingent of American Jewish immigrants in years stepped
off the El Al charter flight at Ben Gurion International Airport on
Tuesday, overjoyed at the chance to begin their new lives in Israel.

Forgotten amid all the excitement was the fact that many of the 371
newcomers had been bankrolled by grants from U.S. evangelical
Christians, who regard the return of Jews to the Holy Land as part of an
apocalyptic prophecy foretold in the Bible".

And so what?
They have their beliefs and you have yours'
They are entitled to spend their money whereever and on whomever they
choose.
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Hope these help.
Regards,
ViejoVizcacha
B***@isp.com
2009-01-07 05:43:29 UTC
Permalink
Post by B J Foster
...
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by B J Foster
Post by B J Foster
If the government does not achieve anything by this act of good faith,
i.e. peace, then ultimately Israeli voters will elect a government that
no longer makes any concessions. The signs are that this has already
happened.
Israeli voters, like US voters are being manipulated.  I do not
condone what Israel voters do, but it is very understandable.  
Voters want results from their government. If disengagement and closure
of the settlements does not achieve peace then they will lose patience
and elect elect another government. If war continues it will be Hamas'
fault because Isarel held out the olive branch and it was refused and
instead Hamas started attacking civilians.
There
are billions upon billions of dollars sent by the US to Israel, with
only one condition: do not relinquish a square inch of Israel, because
that is the land given to you by god herself.  A jobless Israeli Jew
has better chances of securing a mortgage for a house in one of the
settlements in the West Bank than in any part of Israel proper.  Money
from Christian fundamentalists have pouring into Israel for almost
three decades now, and that money has already infected Israeli
politics.  As I said before, the people in the US and many in israel
are convinced that it is Israel that is setting the policies, but they
are wrong.  Israel gets money from the US because Israel is doing US
biding in the region.
Half of you lot claim that Israel controls the USA and the other half
claim that the USA controls Israel. Make up your minds.
Are you seriously asking me to march at the beat of the racists,
Nazis, Jew-haters, and anti-Semites?  Thanks, but no thanks.  I am not
part of any "lot", except the lot that wants to see peace in the
Middle East, a fair and just peace that recognizes the wrong doings of
the past, not to dwell on them, but to correct them
Cheers,
VV
Well, you matched a certain stereotype there for a moment.
"There are billions upon billions of dollars sent by the US to Israel,
with only one condition: do not relinquish a square inch of Israel,
because that is the land given to you by god herself"
then you need to back them up.
We had some fuckwit in here a month ago bitching about Frank Lowy
donating money to Israeli charities when Frank Lowy has made an
*enormous* contribution to Australia and we regularly see the same sort
of garbage posted by that 'lot'.
Ah the Lowy family. Is it true that they are the richest family in
OZ? Peter Lowy has been accused in the U.S. of tax evasion and
funneling money to Liechtenstein.
"Frank Lowy, Peter's father, told the bank in Liechtenstein that he
did not want
Australian tax authorities to know about the money involved. In 2001,
they moved about $68
million to Switzerland".

Lowy's father was a Hungarian jew who survived the holocaust and
fought as a commando
for Israel Independence. before moving to Australia.- Los Angeles
Times.

The above would be amusing if it weren't so tragic. Here's a jew who
"fought for Israel
independence" and then couldn't wait to get out. A "holocaust
survivor" who apparently
made his billions by putting up shopping malls in OZ. How on earth
did he do it!!
How many "real" Australians are billionaires after arriving in OZ
from another country?

Now they are putting up a super mall in England to see if they can
make a few more
billions as they did in Oz and the U.S. What a race they are, they
never have enough do they?

You appear to know all about the family so perhaps you can tell me
where they got the
money after they arrived in OZ to build a shoping mall. Did they work
hard, perhaps 12 hours
a day, digging ditches maybe? Working on a sheep farm? Cleaning the
streets and from
their wages managed to put aside a few $'s every week until they had
enough to start a
business.? IMO they should tell the people of Australia how they did
it so that perhaps
a few more Oz billionaires can become as rich as they are. But of
course, they won't it's a jew secret. No wonder they've been kicked
out of every country they have set foot in.
As to the "holocaust survivor", those "reparations" much have been
very extensive to allow him to become rich so quickly.
B J Foster
2009-01-07 07:16:40 UTC
Permalink
Post by B***@isp.com
Post by B J Foster
...
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by B J Foster
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by B J Foster
If the government does not achieve anything by this act of good faith,
i.e. peace, then ultimately Israeli voters will elect a government that
no longer makes any concessions. The signs are that this has already
happened.
Israeli voters, like US voters are being manipulated. I do not
condone what Israel voters do, but it is very understandable.
Voters want results from their government. If disengagement and closure
of the settlements does not achieve peace then they will lose patience
and elect elect another government. If war continues it will be Hamas'
fault because Isarel held out the olive branch and it was refused and
instead Hamas started attacking civilians.
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
There
are billions upon billions of dollars sent by the US to Israel, with
only one condition: do not relinquish a square inch of Israel, because
that is the land given to you by god herself. A jobless Israeli Jew
has better chances of securing a mortgage for a house in one of the
settlements in the West Bank than in any part of Israel proper. Money
from Christian fundamentalists have pouring into Israel for almost
three decades now, and that money has already infected Israeli
politics. As I said before, the people in the US and many in israel
are convinced that it is Israel that is setting the policies, but they
are wrong. Israel gets money from the US because Israel is doing US
biding in the region.
Half of you lot claim that Israel controls the USA and the other half
claim that the USA controls Israel. Make up your minds.
Are you seriously asking me to march at the beat of the racists,
Nazis, Jew-haters, and anti-Semites? Thanks, but no thanks. I am not
part of any "lot", except the lot that wants to see peace in the
Middle East, a fair and just peace that recognizes the wrong doings of
the past, not to dwell on them, but to correct them
Cheers,
VV
Well, you matched a certain stereotype there for a moment.
"There are billions upon billions of dollars sent by the US to Israel,
with only one condition: do not relinquish a square inch of Israel,
because that is the land given to you by god herself"
then you need to back them up.
We had some fuckwit in here a month ago bitching about Frank Lowy
donating money to Israeli charities when Frank Lowy has made an
*enormous* contribution to Australia and we regularly see the same sort
of garbage posted by that 'lot'.
Ah the Lowy family. Is it true that they are the richest family in
OZ? Peter Lowy has been accused in the U.S. of tax evasion and
funneling money to Liechtenstein.
"Frank Lowy, Peter's father, told the bank in Liechtenstein that he
did not want
Australian tax authorities to know about the money involved. In 2001,
they moved about $68
million to Switzerland".
Lowy's father was a Hungarian jew who survived the holocaust and
fought as a commando
for Israel Independence. before moving to Australia.- Los Angeles
Times.
The above would be amusing if it weren't so tragic. Here's a jew who
"fought for Israel
independence" and then couldn't wait to get out. A "holocaust
survivor" who apparently
made his billions by putting up shopping malls in OZ. How on earth
did he do it!!
How many "real" Australians are billionaires after arriving in OZ
from another country?
Now they are putting up a super mall in England to see if they can
make a few more
billions as they did in Oz and the U.S. What a race they are, they
never have enough do they?
You appear to know all about the family so perhaps you can tell me
where they got the
money after they arrived in OZ to build a shoping mall. Did they work
hard, perhaps 12 hours
a day, digging ditches maybe? Working on a sheep farm? Cleaning the
streets and from
their wages managed to put aside a few $'s every week until they had
enough to start a
business.? IMO they should tell the people of Australia how they did
it so that perhaps
a few more Oz billionaires can become as rich as they are. But of
course, they won't it's a jew secret. No wonder they've been kicked
out of every country they have set foot in.
As to the "holocaust survivor", those "reparations" much have been
very extensive to allow him to become rich so quickly.
That makes two fuckwits
Viejo Vizcacha
2009-01-10 04:48:19 UTC
Permalink
Post by B J Foster
...
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Post by B J Foster
Post by B J Foster
If the government does not achieve anything by this act of good faith,
i.e. peace, then ultimately Israeli voters will elect a government that
no longer makes any concessions. The signs are that this has already
happened.
Israeli voters, like US voters are being manipulated.  I do not
condone what Israel voters do, but it is very understandable.  
Voters want results from their government. If disengagement and closure
of the settlements does not achieve peace then they will lose patience
and elect elect another government. If war continues it will be Hamas'
fault because Isarel held out the olive branch and it was refused and
instead Hamas started attacking civilians.
There
are billions upon billions of dollars sent by the US to Israel, with
only one condition: do not relinquish a square inch of Israel, because
that is the land given to you by god herself.  A jobless Israeli Jew
has better chances of securing a mortgage for a house in one of the
settlements in the West Bank than in any part of Israel proper.  Money
from Christian fundamentalists have pouring into Israel for almost
three decades now, and that money has already infected Israeli
politics.  As I said before, the people in the US and many in israel
are convinced that it is Israel that is setting the policies, but they
are wrong.  Israel gets money from the US because Israel is doing US
biding in the region.
Half of you lot claim that Israel controls the USA and the other half
claim that the USA controls Israel. Make up your minds.
Are you seriously asking me to march at the beat of the racists,
Nazis, Jew-haters, and anti-Semites?  Thanks, but no thanks.  I am not
part of any "lot", except the lot that wants to see peace in the
Middle East, a fair and just peace that recognizes the wrong doings of
the past, not to dwell on them, but to correct them
Cheers,
VV
Well, you matched a certain stereotype there for a moment.
"There are billions upon billions of dollars sent by the US to Israel,
with only one condition: do not relinquish a square inch of Israel,
because that is the land given to you by god herself"
then you need to back them up.
We had some fuckwit in here a month ago bitching about Frank Lowy
donating money to Israeli charities when Frank Lowy has made an
*enormous* contribution to Australia and we regularly see the same sort
of garbage posted by that 'lot'.
Ah the Lowy family.  Is it true that they are the richest family in
OZ?  Peter Lowy has been accused in the U.S. of tax evasion and
funneling money to Liechtenstein.
"Frank Lowy, Peter's father, told the bank in Liechtenstein that he
did not want
Australian tax authorities to know about the money involved.  In 2001,
they  moved about $68
million to Switzerland".
Lowy's father was a Hungarian jew who survived the holocaust and
fought as a commando
for Israel Independence. before moving to Australia.-  Los Angeles
Times.
The above would be amusing if it weren't so tragic.  Here's a jew who
"fought for Israel
independence" and then couldn't wait to get out. A "holocaust
survivor" who apparently
made his billions by putting up shopping malls in OZ.   How on earth
did he do it!!
How many "real" Australians are billionaires after arriving in OZ
from another country?
Now they are putting up a super mall in England to see if they can
make a few more
billions as they did in Oz and the U.S.  What a race they are, they
never have enough do they?
You appear to know all about the family so perhaps you can tell me
where they got the
money after they arrived in OZ to build a shoping mall.  Did they work
hard, perhaps 12 hours
a day, digging ditches maybe?   Working on a sheep farm?  Cleaning the
streets and from
their wages managed to put aside a few $'s every week until they had
enough to start a
business.? IMO they should tell the people of Australia how they did
it so that perhaps
a few more Oz billionaires can become as rich as they are. But of
course, they won't it's a jew secret.  No wonder they've been kicked
out of every country they have set foot in.
As to the "holocaust survivor", those "reparations" much have been
very extensive to allow him to become rich so quickly.
I know that this is old news, but your racism and bigotry is showing,
and it ain't pretty.

Why your bias against Jews? I do not share your attitude towards rich
people, but I would try to understand it if at least was directed to
ALL rich people, not just Jews. How hard you think the English,
Irish, Scots, and Welsh who are millionaires worked to get their
money? Did they work 12 hours a day digging ditches? And what about
those Italian, French, Spanish, and Dutch millionaires? Or Chinese or
Japanese millionaires? Or those Arab kings? What makes Jewish
millionaires different from other millionaires?

VV

drref
2009-01-05 03:50:23 UTC
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I love your logic. It is very similar to what George Bernard Shaw
once said about racists in the US: they do not let the negroes do
anything but shine shoes, and then comment that negroes are only good
for shining shoes. Israel takes the land of Palestinians, bombs the
houses of Palestinians, uproots the olive trees of Palestinians,
destroys their orchards, puts their men in prisons, demolish the
schools of their children, blows up their factories, cuts the
electricity to their homes, closes their ports of entry, destroys
their airports, kills them when they are having a picnic at a beach,
and then, upon seeing them in total destitution, use that fact to
conclude that thos Pallies are good for nothing.
ViejoVizcacha
Israel with all its warts exists. It will continute to exist; It refuses
to
be destroyed.
Now the Palies want to destroy it. The Israelies are not cooperating. You
can bring up any wrongs, legit or percieved and you cannot get past that
Israel exists, by virtue of a UN mandate, and the Palies dont want to accept
ANY OF IT, not 1948, 1947, 1967 or anything.
So what do you want Israel to do???
Just that answer: What would you have Israel do.
1948 gave 55% to Jews and 45% to Arabs. Right now Israel rules 100%
of it. I would like Israel to offer Palesitnians 40% of that. If
Israel offers 40% of that (still 5% less than what Palestinians were
assigned by the UN) then I would start blaming Palestinians for not
accepting that offer. Offering them anything less than that, is
robbery.
BRIEF FACTS ON THE ISRAELI CONFLICT TODAY.... ( It takes just 1.5 minutes to
read!!!! ) It makes sense and it's not slanted. Jew and non-Jew -- it
doesn't matter.

1. Nationhood and Jerusalem. Israel became a nation in 1312 BCE, Two
thousand years before the rise of Islam.
2. Arab refugees in Israel began identifying themselves as part of a
Palestinian people in 1967, two decades after the establishment of the
modern State of Israel.
3. Since the Jewish conquest in 1272 BCE, the Jews have had dominion over
the land for one thousand years with a continuous presence in the land for
the past 3,300 years.
4. The only Arab dominion since the conquest in 635 CE lasted no more than
22 years.
5. For over 3,300=2 0years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital Jerusalem
has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even when the
Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought to make it their capital,
and Arab leaders did not come to visit.
6. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in Tanach, the Jewish Holy
Scriptures. Jerusalem is not mentioned once in the Koran.
7. King David founded the city of Jerusalem. Mohammed never came to
Jerusalem.
8. Jews pray facing Jerusalem. Muslims pray with their backs toward
Jerusalem.
9. Arab and Jewish Refugees: in 1948 the Arab refugees were encouraged to
leave Israel by Arab leaders promising to purge the land of Jews.
Sixty-eight percent left without ever seeing an Israeli soldier.
10 The Jewish refugees were forced to flee from Arab lands due to Arab
brutality, persecution and pogroms.
11. The number of Arab refugees who left Israel in 1948 is estimated to be
around 630,000.The number of Jewish refugees from Arab lands is estimated to
be the same.
12. Arab refugees were INTENTIONALLY not absorbed or integrated into the
Arab lands to which they fled, despite the vast Arab territory. Out of the
100,000,000 refugees since World War II, theirs is the only refugee group in
the world that has never been absorbed or integrated into their own people's
lands. Jewish refugees were completely absorbed into Israel, a country no
larger than the state of New Jersey .
13. The Arab-Israeli Conflict: the Arabs are represented by eight separate
nations, not includ ing the Palestinians. There is only one Jewish nation.
The Arab nations initiated all five wars and lost. Israel defended itself
each time and won.
14. The PLO's Charter still calls for the destruction of the State of
Israel. Israel has given the Palestinians most of the West Bank land,
autonomy under the Palestinian Authority, and has supplied them.
15. Under Jordanian rule, Jewish holy sites were desecrated and the Jews
were denied access to places of worship. Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and
Christian sites have been preserved and made accessible to people of all
faiths.
16. The UN Record on Israel and the Arabs: of the 175 Security Council
resolutions passed before 1990, 97 were directed against Israel.
17. Of the 690 General Assembly resolutions voted on before 1990, 429 were
directed against Israel.
18. The UN was silent while 58 Jerusalem Synagogues were destroyed by the
Jordanians.
19. The UN was silent while the Jordanians systematically desecrated the
ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives.
20. The UN was silent while the Jordanians enforced an apartheid-like a
policy of preventing Jews from visiting the Temple Mount and the Western
Wall.
Jean Naimard
2009-01-05 05:42:03 UTC
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So what do you want Israel to do???
Just that answer: What would you have Israel do.
Pack-up and go back where they used to be, and, most importantly, dump
their goddammed fucking stupid retarded religion in the garbage heap of
History, since it did them no good but bring them untold suffering
throughout History.

Many people have done it before, the jews certainly can do it too.


Here is the real, genuine final solution to the jewish problem: dump the
goddammed fucking judaism. It’s just a bunch of retarded concepts in the
brain anyways.
drref
2009-01-05 12:43:38 UTC
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Post by drref
So what do you want Israel to do???
Just that answer: What would you have Israel do.
Pack-up and go back where they used to be, and, most importantly, dump
their goddammed fucking stupid retarded religion in the garbage heap of
History, since it did them no good but bring them untold suffering
throughout History.
Many people have done it before, the jews certainly can do it too.
Here is the real, genuine final solution to the jewish problem: dump the
goddammed fucking judaism. It's just a bunch of retarded concepts in the
brain anyways.
We will be glad to. Right after Christianity and Mooslemism do the same.
broadssailor
2009-01-05 10:02:50 UTC
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Post by drref
So what do you want Israel to do???
Just that answer: What would you have Israel do.
A start would be to Obey UN Security Council Resolution 242, along
with any number of others passed by the UN SC and GC !
Ariadne
2009-01-05 12:08:56 UTC
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Post by broadssailor
Post by drref
So what do you want Israel to do???
Just that answer: What would you have Israel do.
A start would be to Obey UN Security Council Resolution 242,
As if you knew what UNSCR 242 says!
Post by broadssailor
along
with any number of others passed by the UN SC and GC !
onlyme
2009-01-05 12:24:17 UTC
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Post by Ariadne
As if you knew what UNSCR 242 says!
No one knows what UNSCR 242 says....that's the way it was deliberately
drafted - to allow Israel to obfuscate around the terms.
How do we know this was deliberate?
Well...simple....
America didn't veto it !

It doesn't alter the fact though, that the rest of the world know exactly
what was being demanded in res 242!
Ariadne
2009-01-05 12:40:49 UTC
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Post by Ariadne
As if you knew what UNSCR 242 says!
No one knows what UNSCR 242 says....that's the way it was deliberately
drafted - to allow Israel to obfuscate around the terms.
How do we know this was deliberate?
Well...simple....
America didn't veto it !
It doesn't alter the fact though, that the rest of the world know exactly
what was being demanded in res 242!
Prove it.
onlyme
2009-01-05 13:05:10 UTC
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Post by onlyme
Post by Ariadne
As if you knew what UNSCR 242 says!
No one knows what UNSCR 242 says....that's the way it was deliberately
drafted - to allow Israel to obfuscate around the terms.
How do we know this was deliberate?
Well...simple....
America didn't veto it !
It doesn't alter the fact though, that the rest of the world know exactly
what was being demanded in res 242!
Prove it.
Exactly!
onlyme
2009-01-05 13:04:34 UTC
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Post by Ariadne
As if you knew what UNSCR 242 says!
No one knows what UNSCR 242 says....that's the way it was deliberately
drafted - to allow Israel to obfuscate around the terms.
How do we know this was deliberate?
Well...simple....
America didn't veto it !
It doesn't alter the fact though, that the rest of the world know exactly
what was being demanded in res 242!
Incidently, the history behind this resolution ...or rather those
responsible for it's wording...is quite an eye-opener!
It was written by Hugh Foot, Baron Caradon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Foot,_Baron_Caradon
This is the same Foot who's brother was later the useless labour party
leader, Michael.

Anyway.....
Their father was Isaac Foot.
(a fine jewish name...)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Foot
(himself the son of a captenter and undertaker....Well, you might as well
profit from death (that could be the new jewish motto!))

Anyway....Isaac Foot was a one-time friend (later enemy) of Hore-Belisha - a
Sephardic Jew - who was appointed Secretary of State for War in 1937.
http://www.plymouthdata.info/PP-Hore-Belisha.htm

A popular army song at the time:

An army song went:

"Onward Christian Soldiers,
You have nothing to fear
Israel Hore-Belisha will lead you from the rear,
Clothed by Monty Burton
Fed on Lyons Pies
Die for Jewish freedom
As a Briton always dies.

Interesting lineage...and interesting to see just how steeped in Jewery, the
British government was...even back in the 1930's!
Any later UNSC resolution was quite clearly always going to be in the Jews
favour!
William Black
2009-01-05 18:10:37 UTC
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Post by onlyme
"Onward Christian Soldiers,
You have nothing to fear
Israel Hore-Belisha will lead you from
--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea. the rear,
Post by onlyme
Clothed by Monty Burton
Fed on Lyons Pies
Die for Jewish freedom
As a Briton always dies.
Cite please that it was ever an 'army song'.

Sound more BUF than army.
onlyme
2009-01-05 18:21:29 UTC
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Post by onlyme
"Onward Christian Soldiers,
You have nothing to fear
Israel Hore-Belisha will lead you from the rear,
Clothed by Monty Burton
Fed on Lyons Pies
Die for Jewish freedom
As a Briton always dies.
Cite please that it was ever an 'army song'.
Sound more BUF than army.
Are you calling Jews liars???????
http://www.jewishmag.com/125mag/hore-belisha/hore-belisha.htm
Are you saying that they would deliberately invent anti-semitism for their
own twisted ends?

Please say that you are!!!!
William Black
2009-01-05 18:27:37 UTC
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Post by onlyme
Post by William Black
Post by onlyme
"Onward Christian Soldiers,
You have nothing to fear
Israel Hore-Belisha will lead you from the rear,
Clothed by Monty Burton
Fed on Lyons Pies
Die for Jewish freedom
As a Briton always dies.
Cite please that it was ever an 'army song'.
Sound more BUF than army.
Are you calling Jews liars???????
http://www.jewishmag.com/125mag/hore-belisha/hore-belisha.htm
Are you saying that they would deliberately invent anti-semitism for their
own twisted ends?
Please say that you are!!!!
I think they're probably as ruthless as any other group.

I'd also like some sort of unbiased source for the song being common in the
army.
--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
onlyme
2009-01-05 18:48:26 UTC
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Post by William Black
Post by onlyme
Post by William Black
Post by onlyme
"Onward Christian Soldiers,
You have nothing to fear
Israel Hore-Belisha will lead you from the rear,
Clothed by Monty Burton
Fed on Lyons Pies
Die for Jewish freedom
As a Briton always dies.
Cite please that it was ever an 'army song'.
Sound more BUF than army.
Are you calling Jews liars???????
http://www.jewishmag.com/125mag/hore-belisha/hore-belisha.htm
Are you saying that they would deliberately invent anti-semitism for their
own twisted ends?
Please say that you are!!!!
I think they're probably as ruthless as any other group.
Would you care to speculate as to what other lies they might have woven
around WW2.....?
Post by William Black
I'd also like some sort of unbiased source for the song being common in the
army.
--
Give me a shout when you find one!
William Black
2009-01-05 18:56:24 UTC
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Post by William Black
I think they're probably as ruthless as any other group.
Would you care to speculate as to what other lies they might have woven
around WW2.....?
Not really, no.

Would you?
--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
onlyme
2009-01-05 19:04:56 UTC
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Post by William Black
Post by onlyme
Post by William Black
I think they're probably as ruthless as any other group.
Would you care to speculate as to what other lies they might have woven
around WW2.....?
Not really, no.
Would you?
Not really...I mentioned the holocaust once....but I think I got away with
it.
But it looks like ariadne's sniffiing around and I think she has a full
bowel tonight!
William Black
2009-01-05 19:15:36 UTC
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Post by onlyme
Post by William Black
Post by onlyme
Post by William Black
I think they're probably as ruthless as any other group.
Would you care to speculate as to what other lies they might have woven
around WW2.....?
Not really, no.
Would you?
Not really...I mentioned the holocaust once....but I think I got away with
it.
But it looks like ariadne's sniffiing around and I think she has a full
bowel tonight!
The main problem here is that the 'usual suspects' who are motivated by an
anti-Semitic agenda are out in force and making the whole issue one of race.

I think it's interesting that the Nazis, the Trots (with the odd
Stalinist), the Islamic fundamentalists and rest of them make a common
cause.

A sort of league of evil...

It's one of those cases where you can tell you're one of the good guys by
looking at exactly who is on the other side (although, as you point out,
Arianne doesn't help)
--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
B***@isp.com
2009-01-07 05:15:24 UTC
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Post by onlyme
Post by Ariadne
As if you knew what UNSCR 242 says!
No one knows what UNSCR 242 says....that's the way it was deliberately
drafted - to allow Israel to obfuscate around the terms.
How do we know this was deliberate?
Well...simple....
America didn't veto it !
It doesn't alter the fact though, that the rest of the world know exactly
what was being demanded in res 242!
Incidently, the history behind this resolution ...or rather those
responsible for it's wording...is quite an eye-opener!
It was written by Hugh Foot, Baron Caradon.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Foot,_Baron_Caradon
This is the same Foot who's brother was later the useless labour party
leader, Michael.
Oy!!
Post by onlyme
Anyway.....
Their father was Isaac Foot.
(a fine jewish name...)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Foot
(himself the son of a captenter and undertaker....Well, you might as well
profit from death (that could be the new jewish motto!))
LOL
Post by onlyme
Anyway....Isaac Foot was a one-time friend (later enemy) of Hore-Belisha - a
Sephardic Jew - who was appointed Secretary of State for War in 1937.http://www.plymouthdata.info/PP-Hore-Belisha.htm
Like the U.S. there are far too many jews in the British government..
Having the jew Miliband
in The Cabinet is dangerous. Straw, of course was a communist
agitator when he was at
Oxford and like Blair was a member of CND later to be found a Soviet
front organisation.
The only reason there are so many of them in Parliament is that they
are shortlisted
by party leaders who, if they refuse to do so, are marked as "anti-
semites".
Post by onlyme
  "Onward Christian Soldiers,
  You have nothing to fear
  Israel Hore-Belisha will lead you from the rear,
  Clothed by Monty Burton
  Fed on Lyons Pies
  Die for Jewish freedom
  As a Briton always dies.
It's not amusing to those who do the fighting. In my 5 years in the
WRAF, CFE Command,
I met, at most 2 jews, the camp tailor and the camp dentist.
Post by onlyme
Interesting lineage...and interesting to see just how steeped in Jewery, the
British government was...even back in the 1930's!
Yes. "Old" Labour was infested with them and they were all Bolshie.
Let's not forget who was
in power when they decided to turn Britain into the "diverse" nation
it is today. They
haven't changed, "New" Labour is no different, they just don't have
the guts to admit
they are as biolshie as ever.
Post by onlyme
Any later UNSC resolution was quite clearly always going to be in the Jews
favour!-
And with the U.S. ready to veto any and all resolutions in favour of
Israel because no
American politician has the guts to do anything else, nothing will
change until the
American people say "enough is enough".

Onward Christian Soldiers.

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drref
2009-01-05 12:44:32 UTC
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Post by drref
So what do you want Israel to do???
Just that answer: What would you have Israel do.
A start would be to Obey UN Security Council Resolution 242, along
with any number of others passed by the UN SC and GC !
Now why dont you tell me EXACTLY what 242 says. Because it dont say what you
think it does.

And hamas can start by obeying the resolution last time that called for end
of rocket fire and returning the captured soldier.
broadssailor
2009-01-05 13:10:25 UTC
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Post by broadssailor
Post by drref
So what do you want Israel to do???
Just that answer: What would you have Israel do.
A start would be to Obey UN Security Council Resolution 242, along
with any number of others passed by the UN SC and GC !
Now why dont you tell me EXACTLY what 242 says. Because it dont say what you
think it does.
Here it is - in total (UN website)
http://daccessdds.un.org/doc/RESOLUTION/GEN/NR0/240/94/IMG/NR024094.pdf?OpenElement

Israel never intended to agree to it, whatever had been done by the
Palestinians, then or since!
drref
2009-01-05 13:13:19 UTC
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Post by broadssailor
Post by drref
Post by broadssailor
Post by drref
So what do you want Israel to do???
Just that answer: What would you have Israel do.
A start would be to Obey UN Security Council Resolution 242, along
with any number of others passed by the UN SC and GC !
Now why dont you tell me EXACTLY what 242 says. Because it dont say what you
think it does.
Here it is - in total (UN website)
http://daccessdds.un.org/doc/RESOLUTION/GEN/NR0/240/94/IMG/NR024094.pdf?OpenElement
Israel never intended to agree to it, whatever had been done by the
Palestinians, then or since!
So you in tend to decide what Israel intended to agree to.
So what did the arabs agree to agree to??
s***@gmail.com
2009-01-04 18:22:21 UTC
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Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Untold numbers of Palestinians have already lost their lives at the
hands of Israel, and untold more continue to lose it every hour.
Since 1945, the number of Muslims killed by other Muslims outnumbers
those killed by Israelis by a factor that far exceeds 100-1. source:
http://www.nysun.com/pf.php?id=55137&v=9335610811
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Hamas has no "genocidal" aims.
Hamas Website orders Muslims to kill Westerners who support Israel:
http://www.thememriblog.org/blog_personal/en/12612.htm

"A nation without a jihad is a nation without a purpose." - Sheikh
Ahmed Yassin (Hamas founder) source:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/01/confronting_hamas_genocidal_je.html
_____________________

source: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c36_1230898247

Hamas having decided that stoning girls to death is not brutal enough,
has enacted a law legalizing crucifixion. Public decapitation for gays
and rape victims wasn't bad enough... Now they can look forward to
being nailed to a cross and left hanging until they slowly suffocate
to death. This will be happening, in modern Palestine. Would it be
acceptable anywhere outside the middle-east?
_____________________

source: http://newsblaze.com/story/20081229092838zzzz.nb/topstory.html

Hamas continues to emphasize and promote the religious ideology that
death for Allah is an ideal to be actively pursued.

The goal is to convince Palestinians, including women and children,
not to fear death but even to face it at the front to protect Hamas
fighters. Hamas's placement of its military installations and fighters
among civilians reflects this ideology, and has led to these 51
deaths.

A Hamas representative in the PA legislative council this year
expressed pride in the fact that women and children are used as human
shields in fighting Israel. He described it as part of a "death
industry" at which Palestinians excel, and explained that the
Palestinians "desire death" with the same intensity that Israelis
"desire life."

The following is the full text of the comments by Hamas representative
Fathi Hamad: "For the Palestinian people death became an industry, at
which women excel and so do all people on this land: the elderly
excel, the Jihad fighters excel, and the children excel. Accordingly
[Palestinians] created a human shield of women, children, the elderly
and the Jihad fighters against the Zionist bombing machine, as if they
were saying to the Zionist enemy: We desire death as you desire life."

Video:

Viejo Vizcacha
2009-01-04 19:14:37 UTC
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Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Untold numbers of Palestinians have already lost their lives at the
hands of Israel, and untold more continue to lose it every hour.
Since 1945, the number of Muslims killed by other Muslims outnumbers
those killed by Israelis by a factor that far exceeds 100-1. source:http://www.nysun.com/pf.php?id=55137&v=9335610811
Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Hamas has no "genocidal" aims.
Hamas Website orders Muslims to kill Westerners who support Israel:http://www.thememriblog.org/blog_personal/en/12612.htm
That is not "genocidal aim." US also orders to kill all Arabs that
support "terrorism", and I would not consider the US to have
"genocidal aims." I know this might come as a surprise to you, but
just putting a label to something does not immediately means that that
label properly applies to the thing.

VV
Post by s***@gmail.com
"A nation without a jihad is a nation without a purpose." - Sheikh
Ahmed Yassin (Hamas founder) source:http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/01/confronting_hamas_genocidal_je...
_____________________
source:http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c36_1230898247
Hamas having decided that stoning girls to death is not brutal enough,
has enacted a law legalizing crucifixion. Public decapitation for gays
and rape victims wasn't bad enough... Now they can look forward to
being nailed to a cross and left hanging until they slowly suffocate
to death. This will be happening, in modern Palestine. Would it be
acceptable anywhere outside the middle-east?
_____________________
source:http://newsblaze.com/story/20081229092838zzzz.nb/topstory.html
Hamas continues to emphasize and promote the religious ideology that
death for Allah is an ideal to be actively pursued.
The goal is to convince Palestinians, including women and children,
not to fear death but even to face it at the front to protect Hamas
fighters. Hamas's placement of its military installations and fighters
among civilians reflects this ideology, and has led to these 51
deaths.
A Hamas representative in the PA legislative council this year
expressed pride in the fact that women and children are used as human
shields in fighting Israel. He described it as part of a "death
industry" at which Palestinians excel, and explained that the
Palestinians "desire death" with the same intensity that Israelis
"desire life."
The following is the full text of the comments by Hamas representative
Fathi Hamad: "For the Palestinian people death became an industry, at
which women excel and so do all people on this land: the elderly
excel, the Jihad fighters excel, and the children excel. Accordingly
[Palestinians] created a human shield of women, children, the elderly
and the Jihad fighters against the Zionist bombing machine, as if they
were saying to the Zionist enemy: We desire death as you desire life."
http://youtu.be/RTu-AUE9ycs
B J Foster
2009-01-04 19:46:04 UTC
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***@gmail.com telling porkies as usual, wrote:
...
Post by s***@gmail.com
http://www.thememriblog.org/blog_personal/en/12612.htm
This link contains:
"Unofficial Hamas Website Calls on Muslims to Employ WMDs against Jews,
Target Non-Jews Supporting Zionists"

Comment:
WTF is an "Unofficial Hamas Website". Is it Hamas (official) or isn't it
(unofficial)?


"On January 1, 2009, the unofficial Hamas website
www.palestine-info.info (hosted by Emirnet-Emirnet in the UAE) posted an
article titled 'Time Has Come to Expand the War against the Jews and Use
WMDs'"

Comment:
This is completely at odds with what 'simple.language' quoted in the
first place.

A Google search of the site shows no such article:
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=time+expand+war+jews+site%3Apalestine-info.co.uk
Bert Hyman
2009-01-04 20:12:42 UTC
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Post by B J Foster
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=time+expand+war+jews+site%3Apalestine
-info.co.uk
That's only because the original article isn't in English.

Have you actually looked at www.palestine-info.info?
--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN ***@iphouse.com
B J Foster
2009-01-04 20:39:26 UTC
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Post by B J Foster
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=time+expand+war+jews+site%3Apalestine
-info.co.uk
That's only because the original article isn't in English.
Have you actually looked at www.palestine-info.info?
Yes, comprehensively and in detail.

There is no sign of the claimed article. If it is only in Arabic, then
why is it only in Arabic?
Bert Hyman
2009-01-04 20:50:48 UTC
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If it is only in Arabic, then why is it only in Arabic?
You'll have to ask the Web site operator, won't you?
--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN ***@iphouse.com
Viejo Vizcacha
2009-01-04 21:09:07 UTC
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Post by Viejo Vizcacha
Untold numbers of Palestinians have already lost their lives at the
hands of Israel, and untold more continue to lose it every hour.
Since 1945, the number of Muslims killed by other Muslims outnumbers
those killed by Israelis by a factor that far exceeds 100-1. source
:http://www.nysun.com/pf.php?id=55137&v=9335610811
What is your point? The number of Christians killed by other
Christians exceeds the number of Christians killed by members of other
religions. Between 1939 and 1945, the number of Europeans killed by
other Europeans outnumbered Europeans killed by people of other
continents. Since 1945, the number of Whites in North America killed
by other Whites outnumbers the number of Whites killed by people of
other groups. Equally, the number of Latinos killed by other Latinos
outnumbers the number or Latinos killed by members of other groups.
And guess what: the number of Blacks killed by other Blacks, also
outnumber the Blacks killed by other groups. Also, the number of Jews
who were victims of some scam perpetrated by other Jews outnumbers the
number of Jews who were taken for a ride by gentiles.

VV
prince andy
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<***@gmail.com> wrote in message news:e17a6777-6f76-4c08-bd6f-***@q26g2000prq.googlegroups.com...
source:
http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/3204131/the-moral-battleground.thtml

And so now begins the second and most difficult stage. Inside Israel,
there is both determination and dread as tens of thousands of Israel’s
conscript army are called to the front. Untold numbers of these
soldiers will lose their lives as the result not merely of the
genocidal aims of Hamas (and its Iranian puppet-master) but also the
indifference and pusillanimity towards Palestinian terror displayed by
world governments over the past six decades of Israel’s fight for
survival,

Survival of course in the present form of a jewish apartheid state.


along with the active encouragement of genocidal
israelis , always seem to forget they are doing all the killing and refusing
to negotiate anything but an apaetheis , genocidal state with special
priveleges for jews and non jews treated as their religion telle them, they
are gods and the rest are for their use.

No South African solution for them.

Now not only their paid propagandists online, but apparently paid
protestors to appear for them.
I mean can you seriously suggest that non jews want to protest for
jews/israelis tosupport a state that wants all non jews to realise that they
are inferior to jews and can only acheive a very second class citizenship.

YES WE ARE TALKING ABOUT CHRISTIANS BEING DISCRIMINATED AGAINST IN ISRAEL.


http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fiveisraelis.html









http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2009/01/20091117737115874.html




Israel attacks UN.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=79219&sectionid=3510303


http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB263/index.htm]
torture

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/torturingdemocracy/




http://youtu.be/D7EB1FxENxQ
It is depraved to deny the main motive for the 9/11 attacks. Weasels:
Lawrence Wright, Terry McDermott, Brian Michael Jenkins, Jeffrey Goldberg,
Leo Braudy As far as






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It is depraved to deny the main motive for the 9/11 attacks. Weasels:
Lawrence Wright, Terry McDermott, Brian Michael Jenkins, Jeffrey Goldberg,
Leo Braudy As far as

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7805075.stm
Loading Image...http://neoconzionistthreat.blogspot.com/2008/03/make-people-aware-subscribe.htmlAnd apparently Christian America along with Christian Americans have not hada word to say.Just compare the difference below. http://www.thenausea.com/elements/thenotforgotten/rachel/index.html http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/16/rafah.death/ One guy gets 10 years, the other gets a raise and promotion?? For killinga non jewish American? And gets to smirk about it?http://www.jonathanpollard.org/1993/051693.htmCompounding the duplicity swirling around the case was the jurors'remarkable verdict: Mr. Nelson was indeed guilty of depriving his victim ofhis civil rights by stabbing him - but not by killing him. Thus, instead ofa possible life sentence, the murderer, with credit for time served, may bea free man in a matter of months.http://www.jlaw.com/Commentary/3dayriot.htmlIt is thus with intense interest that we watch as a federal jury in Brooklynhears the case of United States vs. Lemrick Nelson, Jr. and Charles Price --respectively, the accused killer of Yankel Rosenbaum, and the man chargedwith inciting the mob that pursued Rosenbaum. As Coalition goes to press,the trial has finally begun and the prosecution is presenting powerfulevidence against the two defendantshttp://www.thenausea.com/elements/thenotforgotten/rachel/index.htmlhttp://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/16/rafah.death/The suppression of an unarmed population under their control in thefollowing manner.Strike BreakingSTRIKE BREAKING (AS REPORTED BY NYT AND OTHER AMERICAN PAPERS)THE JERUSALEM POST CORRESPONDENT HIRSH GOODMAN – they have not received anyterrorist training, nor are they members of a terrorist organization. Ratherthey aremembers of that Palestinian generation that grew up knowing nothing butoccupationWith anger, hatred, and sheer ferocity, thousands of youngsters hurled rocksat their Israeli occupiers, undaunted by the gunfire that greeted them. Thiswas more than civil unrest. ...It was the beginning of a civil rebellion -Dan Fisher, Los Angeles Times, December 20, 1987.On that day, - wrote John Kifner in The New York Times, - the vast army ofArab laborers who wait on tables, pick vegetables, haul garbage, lay brickand perform virtually all Israel's menial work, stayed home.: John Kifner,New York Times, December 22, 1987.The Israeli response to the uprising was brutal. Defense Minister YitzhakRabin ordered the use of tanks, armored vehicles and automatic riflesagainst an unarmed population.The San Francisco Examiner cited Rabin as openly advocating assassination."They can shoot to hit leaders of disorder," Rabin said in defense of thearmy's practice of using marksmen with high-powered .22-caliber rifles toshoot indiscriminately at Palestinian youth. - San Francisco Examiner,December 23, 1987. Rabin ordered house-to-house searches, first for young men and later foranyone of whom an example might be made. By December 27, over 2,500Palestinians were seized, many of them as young as twelve; by the end ofJanuary the number reached 4,000 and was rising. The "militants "weremarked for deportation. Israeli high-security jails and detention centerswere overflowing. Mass trials of Palestinians were underway.The act of brutality which most inflamed the Palestinian population was thearmy seizure of the wounded from hospital beds. This practice, standardprocedure throughout the invasion of Lebanon in 1982, made Shifa Hospital inGaza a center of resistance. Great crowds amassed to defend the wounded,whom, they rightfully feared, would never be seen again.No fear of Jews standing up against cruelty and sadism as the Christians DIDagain and again.The Testimony of a Rescuerhttp://fcit.coedu.usf.edu/holocaust/people/rescuer.htmhttp://www.auschwitz.dk/docu/Default.htmhttp://www.auschwitz.dk/Denmark.htmhttp://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/r/ftp.py?people/r/roberts.jeff/1996/roberts.1096http://www.resistance.com/Hayward/hay2.htmlhttp://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/r/ftp.py?people/r/roberts.jeff/1996/roberts.1096REMEMBER THIS IS AN UNARMED POPULATION UNDER OCCUPATION. -http://www.mafhoum.com/press2/74P51.htmA mother of a Palestinian man shot three times in the head by Israelisoldiers was asked if she would let her remaining sons join thedemonstrations. " As long as I am alive, "she responded, "I am going toteach the young people to fight ... I don't care whatever happens, as longas we get our land." - John Kifner, New York Times, December 21, 1987."They entered the house like animals, shouting," the 22-year old student atBir Zeit University said. "They took us from the house, kicking us in thehead, beating us, all the soldiers with their rifle butts."Two others, hesaid, beat his hands with lengths of two-by-fours, breaking the bones.The first priority is to use force, might, beatings. [This] is consideredmore effective than detention ... [because] he may then resume stoningsoldiers. But if troops break his hand, he won't be able to throw stones. -New York Times, January 21, 1988.AGAINST AN UNARMED CIVILIAN POPULATION.No matter which house one calls, the anguished accounts of family memberswounded or arrested pour forth. Convoys of buses cruise the streets ofNablus followed by vans of the Mossad, Israel's secret police. Army units gofrom house to house pulling youths from their beds at 3 a.m. As the busesfill, the soldiers beat the youths viciously around the head, shins, groinand back. Shrieks fill the air.AGAINST AN UNARMED CIVILIAN POPULATION.By April 1988 over 150 Palestinians had died. The Israeli government hadadmitted to the arrest of 2,000 people, bringing the acknowledged total to4,000. The real figure was far higher.Sources in the West Bank and Gaza established that the number detained bythe weekend of March 27 had exceeded 13,000. Bassam Shaka'a, deposed Mayorof Nablus, placed the total held solely in a hastily constructed barbed-wireencampment at Dhariyah at 10,000.In the Balata camp outside Nablus, and in the Casbah - the old quarter -l, 000 people were arrested in a period of 48 hours. The discovery of peoplein ditches in the fields - shot in the back or with their heads caved in -has been reported from villages throughout the West Bank and GazaTWO OF THE CHILDREN, AGES 9 AND 11 , WERE TAKEN BY THE SOLDIERS IN THEIRnight clothes, frog-marched in the streets and beaten as they were forced bythe jeering soldiers to clear debris.NEW YORK TIMESFleets of helicopters fly over Nablus at night dropping a dense, green toxicgas over the city. The smell pervades every house. Armed units firecanisters of the substance into houses at random. Doctors at IttihadHospital reported several deaths and severe lung injuries from this as-yetunidentified asphyxiating chemical, totally distinct from tear gas.Among the victims was the grandmother of the Da'as family and the100-year-old father of noted Nablus attorney Mohammad Irshaid. Soldiers hadentered the house at 2 a.m., smashing furniture and firing a canister of thedreaded green gas while preventing the family from leaving.Simultaneously, the Israeli army targeted the hospitals. Army trucks rammedambulances and blocked them from reaching the homes of those overcome by thegas. Soldiers entered the Ittihad Hospital in Nablus numerous times,arresting the wounded and those waiting to give blood to family members.EVEN THE OPERATING THEATRE WAS INVADED WHILE SURGEONS WERE OPERATING ONPATIENTS.DOCTORS WERE BEATEN AND EQUIPMENT SMASHED. FAMILY MEMBERS WERE PREVENTEDFROM ENTERING THE HOSPITAL AND THE CARS OF DOCTORS AND NURSES WERE DESTROYEDBY SOLDIERS.Meanwhile, all of Nablus was paralysed by a total strike. All the streets inevery quarter of the city were without open shops or business activity. Asgas permeated the city, cries and chants filled the night.Gas canisters recovered by Bassam Shaka'a, Yousef al-Masri [chief of IttihadHospital] and American author Alfred Lilienthal bear the markings "560 cs.Federal Lab. Saltsburg, Pa. USA MK2 1988." Biochemists are studying theirproperties as casualties mount.JOHN KIFNER reported on April 4 that "Hundreds of refugees were treated inUnited Nations clinics for gas inhalation." On April 15, Kifner wrote,"...gas has been thrown inside homes, clinics and schools where the effectsare particularly severe."This is still going on today, just cleverly concealed with activeparticipation of western democracies governments, western democraciesreligious institions and western democracies media.Apparently only the ungodly unreligious students find their conscience sostirred that they have gone to the oppressed citizens aid with the
Snipers responsible for Western, Palestinian deathsBy Nick Fuller-GooginsPublished: Tuesday, January 20, 2004http://www.bcheights.com/main.cfm?include=detail&storyid=582920 Justice for Tom Hurndall. ... "Does [Tony Blair] regard the children ofPalestine as children of a lesser god?"--Jocelyn Hurndall, mother of TomHurndall. ...http://www.tomjoad.org/Hurndall.htmhttp://www.ussliberty.org/Ø Israel's False Flag Attack on the USS Liberty, 1967> http://home.cfl.rr.com/gidusko/liberty/>> ========== excerpt ==============> President Johnson went on television and announced to the American> people that TEN sailors were killed in the "six minute accidental"> attack. Sailors were ordered not to discuss the incident with ANYONE> under threat of court-martial. We waited for the investigation... and> for the explanations and the answers. Why did Israel attack the ship?> Why did the U. S. Government turn its back on the crew members? The> answers never came.ØØ >It refuses to confront the Democrat party that's noless militant than>Republicans. Both are totally subservient to Israeli interests. Their>destructive imperial wars. The likelihood of more ahead for a state "whose>Supreme Court legalizes political assassinations across nationalboundaries,>torture (as official policy), systematic violations of international law>including collective punishment, and a regime which repudiates UnitedNations>resolutions and unilaterally invades and bombs its neighbors and practices>military colonist expansionism." America is a "look- alike" state writlarge>that practices these and similar policies worldwide and justifies the most>outrageous acts in the name of "national security."ØØØ>http://www.ussliberty.com/challenge.htm - $10,000 challenge - The LibertyVeterans Association offers a $10,000 reward to anyone who can establish thetruth of A. Jay Cristol's claim: 1http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/margolis12.htmlAt 0800 hrs, 8 June, 1967, eight Israeli recon flights flew over 'Liberty,'which was flying a large American flag. At 1400 hrs, waves of low-flyingIsraeli Mystere and Mirage-III fighter-bombers repeatedly attacked theAmerican vessel with rockets, napalm, and cannon. The air attacks lasted 20minutes, concentrating on the ship's electronic antennas and dishes. The'Liberty' was left afire, listing sharply. Eight of her crew lay dead, ahundred seriously wounded, including the captain, Commander WilliamMcGonagle.http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/sh-usn/usnsh-l/agtr5.htmOn the afternoon of 8 June 1967, while in international waters off the SinaiPeninsula, Liberty, though clearly marked as a U.S. Navy ship, was struck byIsraeli aircraft. After suffering damage and many personnel casualties fromgunfire, rockets and bombs, she was further attacked by three Israeli Navymotor torpedo boats. One torpedo hit her on the starboard side, forward ofthe superstructure, opening a large hole in her hull. In all, thirty-fourmen were killed in the attacks and nearly 170 wounded. Israel subsequentlyapologized for the incident, explaining that its air and naval forces hadmistaken the Liberty for a much smaller Egyptian Navy ship.http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=9648Like Robert Edmondson, Klein is another American hero flushed down thememory hole for defying the Rothschild -Rockefeller cartel. There is noWikipedia entry for this Jew who fought the Masonic bankers all his life asa crusading NYC reporter, editor, author, city official and Mayoralcandidate. (He said the Rockefellers and most other tycoons are underZionist control.) He became a lawyer and defended pro bono Christianpatriots in the famous "Sedition" Show Trial of 1942-1944.Klein dedicated his 1935 autobiography "My Last Fifty Years" to his mother"whose Instincts and Spirit were transmitted to her son." He can truthfullysay, "In a world ruled by Mammon, I have tried to serve my Fellowman...If Ihave exposed some hypocrites, humbugs and liars, I feel I have only furtherserved God."Zionism and BaramaKlein's criticism of Zionism was confirmed last week when Barack Obamaproved that even a Black man can become President if he is prepared to doZionist dirty work. His first act was to appoint Rahm Emanuel, an Israelidual citizen, as his Chief of Staff. This is fitting since Obama's owncitizenship is in doubt. The height-challenged Emanuel isThey have just revived an ancient custom? Spitting on the cross?http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2007/11/15/jews-stop-spitting-on-christians/http://www.jerusalemites.org/crimes/crimes_against_christianity/41.htmhttp://www.ety.com/HRP/jewishstudies/spittingoncross.htmhttp://www.jerusalemites.org/crimes/crimes_against_christianity/41.htmhttp://www.jesus-messiah.com/apologetics/jewish/shahak.htmlAnd what Jewish Democracy is complete without it's legal torture chambers? http://thirdworldtraveler.com/Israel/IsraelsTortureBan.html http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0197/9701007.htm http://www.israel-state-terrorism.org/KhiamTortureBBC.Real Jews getting rid of Christians on http://youtu.be/UaYqa_J0pPY http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/oren-bendor-who-are-the-real-terrorists-in-the-middle-east-409291.html> Jews May Steal from Non-Jews Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object> lost by a Gentile ("heathen") it does not have to be returned.> (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b).>> Sanhedrin 76a . God will not spare a Jew who "marries his daughter to> an old man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article> to a Cuthean...">Real Jews getting rid of Christians on
observing a
doing the right thing and running Christians off in
Jesus Jews s exposed on Eretz Israel by real JewsBOMBING OF GAZA http://www.kawther.info/wpr/2009/01/04/what-israel-does-not-want-you-to-seeReal Jews getting rid of Christians on http://youtu.be/jO07v1XUm-4 government land acquisition schemes?Christian homes being knocked down??? Obama going to back this kind of thing by KKKisraelis??http://dc.indymedia.org/mod/comments/display/123898/index.phpWe REFUSE To Continue Starving, Dominating And Humiliating An Entire PeopleIsrael Plans To Flatten 88 Muslim And Christian Homes In Jerusalem Area06 Jun 2005Date Edited: 06 Jun 2005 05:59:34 AMby Israeli Committee Against Home DemolitionsReply to this comment1000 residents of Jerusalem are about to have their home demolished bybulldozers especially made for the Israeli military by a well known U.S.company, Caterpillar, Inc.So far, about 50,000 men, women and children have been made homeless in thelands occupied by Israel. Usually the reason given is that they have noIsraeli issued "building permit" for their home. Something Israel nevergives Muslims or Christians in much of the Occupied Territories. Often thebulldozing is done in the middle of the night, without notice. It is a formof terrorism visited on the local populace. This angers many people. Somereact in extreme ways.....On Thursday June 2nd, ICAHD's field coordinator Meir Margalit led a tour ofSilwan (Jerusalem), where the Jerusalem municipality plans to demolish theentire neighborhood of el-Bustan, which includes 88 homes housing 1,000residents. Over 20 diplomats and consular officials from such countries asGermany, France, Australia, and Ireland along with 40 Members of the mediawere in attendance at the 2 hour program, which commenced at the protesttent that sits at the sight of recent demolitions in the neighborhood ofel-Bustan.At the tent, children whose homes are slated for demolition held up placardswith the number that the municipality has assigned to their homes (picturedhere). The numbers were meant to represent how the municipality denies theirvery existence and dehumanizes the families by referring to their homes asmere numbers. But the children holding the signs put real human faces on themunicipality's planned destruction. Once in the tent, the PalestinianAuthority Minister of Jerusalem Affairs, Hind Khoury, addressed theparticipants along with Fathi abu Diab, the head of the acting committee inel-Bustan. Islamistsby leftists, Jew-haters, Muslims and useful idiots who were on suchthuggish display yesterday in the co-ordinated demonstrations inBritish and other western cities.Such people have made no protest at the bombardment of Israeli townsby more than 6000 rockets in the past six years, deliberatelytargeting innocent civilians. They have made no protest at the wayHamas has used Gazan civilians as human shields, situating itsmurderous arsenals beneath apartment blocks, in schools and hospitalsand mosques in order to maximise the numbers of civilians killed (inorder to manipulate all-too pliable western opinion). No, theirprotest only starts when Israel finally takes the military actionaimed at stopping this genocidal barrage.The worst thing is the moral inversion, in which the murderousvictimisation of innocent Israelis is ignored while their murderersare described as ‘civilians’ when they are finally killed by theIsraelis -- who are demonstrably taking care to avoid civiliancasualties wherever possible. Tragically, civilians always die inwars; and unfortunately there will undoubtedly be more civiliancasualties in Gaza – along with deaths among Israeli troops -- as thewar goes on. But the frenzied misrepresentations, double standards andmoral inversion fuelling a hysteria in the west which in turn can onlyincite more genocidal violence are simply depraved.Particularly striking in its malice is the way in which the treatmentof wounded Palestinians in Israeli hospitals is ignored – while newsof the barbaric behaviour of Hamas in Gaza’s hospitals is airbrushedout of the picture. At WSJ’s Opinion Journal, James Taranto noted thata report of this scene in a Gaza hospital briefly appeared in the NewYork Times a couple of days ago:Armed Hamas militants in civilian clothes roamed the halls. Askedtheir function, they said it was to provide security. But there wasinternal bloodletting under way. In the fourth-floor orthopaedicsection, a woman in her late 20s asked a militant to let her see SalehHajoj, her 32-year-old husband. She was turned away and left thehospital. Fifteen minutes later, Mr. Hajoj was carried out by youngmen pretending to transfer him to another ward. As he lay on thestretcher, he was shot in the left side of the head. Mr. Hajoj, likefive others killed at the hospital this way in 24 hours, [my emphasis]was accused of collaboration with Israel. He had been in the centralprison awaiting trial by Hamas judges; when Israel destroyed theprison on Sunday he and the others were transferred to the hospital.But their trials were short-circuited...You won’t find that passage now on the New York Times website because,soon after it appeared, it unaccountably vanished into the ether*. Norwill many in Britain or the west be aware of this:Dozens of Gaza Arabs are being treated in Ashkelon’s Barzilai Hospitalat the same time terrorists are bombarding the city. The medicalfacility, the largest on the southern coast, is in the line of rocketfire, and medical staff often have to stop caring for patients and runfor cover during air raid warnings. The 500-bed Barzilai Hospital hasclose ties with Gaza City's Shifa Hospital, Barzilai deputy directorDr. Ron Lobel told the Associated Press. ‘It might seem completelyabsurd, but we have the privilege to be doctors. Our medical ethics donot distinguish between patients. We treat whoever needs to betreated,’ he saidOne Gaza Arab woman refused to identify herself to AP [AssociatedPress] because of fear of retribution by terrorists if it were knownthat her two-month-old granddaughter is being treated in an Israelihospital. ‘I am very sad and hurt. We want peace, not war,’ she saidas Israel began retaliating after hundreds of Arab rocket and mortarattacks, some of them lethal.The moral inversion in the west is so egregious, so monstrous, thatthe better Israel is shown to behave the worse the vilification thatrains down upon it. What other country in the world would show suchrestraint in the face of more than 6000 rocket attacks upon itscitizens – 6000! – that it took seven years before going to war to puta stop to it? What other country would treat individuals – includingproven terrorists – from that enemy territory in its own hospitals?What other country would continue to provide essential foodstuffs andother supplies to those enemies who continued to fire rockets at it?What other country, when finally forced to go to war to stop theattacks, would show such concern to avoid the loss of civilian lifethat it contacts the population in enemy territory -- even householdscontaining identified terrorists – to warn them to flee from theimminent bombardment? And what other country would, for showing suchunparalleled moral scrupulousness, be vilified and libelled as Israelis?Israel’s behaviour is moral, legal and proportionate. This conflict isrevealing just who is on the side of morality, decency and sanity andwho is not. The President of the Czech Republic, who is also theincoming president of the EU, has emerged in the former camp,declaring stoutly that Israel’s behaviour is both just and necessary.France’s president Sarkozy, however, has called upon both sides tostop hostilities – a moral equivalence which effectively gives Hamasvictory by requiring Israel to abandon the defence of its citizens.Similarly in Britain, Foreign Secretary David Miliband has repeatedhis call for an immediate cease-fire – while Prime Minister GordonBrown, according to this Telegraph piece, has apparently complained toIsrael’s Prime Minister Olmert that too many people have died.Would that be, perhaps, too many Hamas terrorists who have died? WouldBrown have preferred that more of them continued to live so that theycould carry on murdering more Israelis?In startling contrast Farid Ghadry, President of the Reform Party ofSyria, has written:We Arabs must be the ones to stop Hamas and Hizbullah, rather thansupport their demonic and twisted logic of resisting development,enlightenment, and progress of the region. Even when development andenlightenment stare them in the face, their instinct is to destroythem pretending to safeguard their honor, the mechanics of whichsupersede all else including a happy life of fulfillment andaccomplishments.So while we abhor violence of all kind, Israel's campaign againstHamas must continue to the bitter end not only for the sake of peacebut also to help Arabs realize they have a choice: Destroy like Gazaor develop like Dubai. Will this happen soon? Maybe not, but if a wake-up call and a nudge, once in a while, to pierce through the fog ofdeceit perpetrated by Syria and Iran is what it takes to see thelight, then we stand by the West and Israel in the only hope that anArab Renaissance in the Levant may actually have a chance ofresurrection.Alas, many in the west don’t stand with Farid Ghadry. They standinstead with Hamas. Whatever platitudes they mouthe, it is clear thatthey really don’t want Israel to survive at all.The moral dividing line in this battle is very clear. Those who standwith Israel are on the side of morality, justice, and civilisation.Those in the media and public life who denounce Israel for having thetemerity to defend its people are the fellow-travellers of barbarism.Having done so much to embolden and strengthen Hamas and Iran, who areplaying them for suckers, they are continuing to stoke the fires ofirrational hatred and genocidal hysteria. As Israeli soldiers die,along with the Palestinian victims of Hamas whether as ‘collaborators’or human shields, their blood will be on these hypocritical westernhands.
s***@gmail.com
2009-01-04 19:04:07 UTC
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Peace activists shout: "Hamas, Hamas, Jews to the gas"
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/024231.php
Viejo Vizcacha
2009-01-04 19:18:59 UTC
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Peace activists shout: "Hamas, Hamas, Jews to the gas" http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/024231.php
What it is heard clearly is the people chanting "Intifada, Intifada,
Palestinian state." Why is that you insist on propagating lies?
Don't you have any shame?

VV
s***@gmail.com
2009-01-05 09:29:18 UTC
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Peace activists shout: "Hamas, Hamas, Jews to the gas"  http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/024231.php
What it is heard clearly is the people chanting "Intifada, Intifada,
Palestinian state."  Why is that you insist on propagating lies?
Don't you have any shame?
Original text: Hamas, Hamas, Joden aan het gas!

Dutch to English translator: http://www.stars21.com/translator/dutch_to_english.html
Viejo Vizcacha
2009-01-05 23:52:18 UTC
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Post by s***@gmail.com
Peace activists shout: "Hamas, Hamas, Jews to the gas"  http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/024231.php
What it is heard clearly is the people chanting "Intifada, Intifada,
Palestinian state."  Why is that you insist on propagating lies?
Don't you have any shame?
Original text: Hamas, Hamas, Joden aan het gas!
What original text? Nowhere is written what you say.

Is it too much to ask you to reduce the number of lies you write in
these groups?

ViejoVizcacha
Post by s***@gmail.com
Dutch to English translator:http://www.stars21.com/translator/dutch_to_english.html
Ariadne
2009-01-04 19:06:55 UTC
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On 4 Jan, 17:52, ***@gmail.com wrote:
[...]
Post by s***@gmail.com
Alas, many in the west don’t stand with Farid Ghadry. They stand
instead with Hamas. Whatever platitudes they mouthe, it is clear that
they really don’t want Israel to survive at all.
The moral dividing line in this battle is very clear. Those who stand
with Israel are on the side of morality, justice, and civilisation.
Those in the media and public life who denounce Israel for having the
temerity to defend its people are the fellow-travellers of barbarism.
Having done so much to embolden and strengthen Hamas and Iran, who are
playing them for suckers, they are continuing to stoke the fires of
irrational hatred and genocidal hysteria. As Israeli soldiers die,
along with the Palestinian victims of Hamas whether as ‘collaborators’
or human shields, their blood will be on these hypocritical western
hands.
That sad truth is surfacing in so many places
that Muslim and neo-Nazi propaganda won't be
able to keep it down.
s***@gmail.com
2009-01-04 19:22:10 UTC
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Post by Ariadne
That sad truth is surfacing in so many places
that Muslim and neo-Nazi propaganda won't be
able to keep it down.
You are naive. Truth means nothing for the mobs. They respect brute
military force only. I am certain that we are heading for another
world war. It will begin with a holocaust of the Jews.
Viejo Vizcacha
2009-01-04 19:37:39 UTC
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Post by s***@gmail.com
Post by Ariadne
That sad truth is surfacing in so many places
that Muslim and neo-Nazi propaganda won't be
able to keep it down.
You are naive. Truth means nothing for the mobs. They respect brute
military force only. I am certain that we are heading for another
world war. It will begin with a holocaust of the Jews.
And that thought surely bring orgasms to your body. Better than
chocolate, not to mention sex.

You have been incessantly provoking hatred in these groups.

VV
Ariadne
2009-01-04 22:11:37 UTC
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Post by s***@gmail.com
Post by Ariadne
That sad truth is surfacing in so many places
that Muslim and neo-Nazi propaganda won't be
able to keep it down.
You are naive. Truth means nothing for the mobs. They respect brute
military force only. I am certain that we are heading for another
world war. It will begin with a holocaust of the Jews.
I hope not too naive. There is
more truth surfacing than there
was in 2002.

But I do know people who think the
world will just let it happen again.

It certainly seems possible if Islam is
not dealt with very soon.
Jean Naimard
2009-01-05 05:48:08 UTC
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It certainly seems possible if Islam is not dealt with very soon.
Sionism is the principal cause for the recent resurgence of islam…
Sir Kevin Rudd
2009-01-04 23:54:09 UTC
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<***@gmail.com> wrote in message news:e17a6777-6f76-4c08-bd6f-***@q26g2000prq.googlegroups.com...
source:
http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/3204131/the-moral-battleground.thtml
Post by s***@gmail.com
And so now begins the second and most difficult stage. Inside Israel,
there is both determination and dread as tens of thousands of Israel’s
conscript army are called to the front.
I am tearing up inside for the Zionazi's... truly I am...
Post by s***@gmail.com
Untold numbers of these
soldiers will lose their lives as the result not merely of the
genocidal aims of Hamas (and its Iranian puppet-master) but also the
BULLLSHIITTTTT.....

The Gaza Concentration camp has been in Israeli lockdown for years, they
couldn't get food in there let alone decent weapons.
Post by s***@gmail.com
Such people have made no protest at the bombardment of Israeli towns
by more than 6000 rockets in the past six years,
1 Jew died before Israel started bombing the fuck out of the concentration
camp. The firecrackers Hamas is sending over the border are scary but mostly
harmless by the looks of it.
Post by s***@gmail.com
The worst thing is the moral inversion, in which the murderous
victimisation of innocent Israelis is ignored while their murderers
are described as ‘civilians’ when they are finally killed by the
Israelis -- who are demonstrably taking care to avoid civilian
casualties wherever possible. Tragically, civilians always die in
wars;
Yes when you bomb the fuck out of the Gaza Ghetto, it does usually end up in
dead civilians.

I've noticed the Zionazi's have moved onto the next stage after reading how
the Nazi's reacted with an uprising in the Warsaw Ghetto, and entered into
the Ghetto to kill anyone involved in the uprising.

Next stage will probably be the bulldozing of homes. The Jews seemingly have
learned well from the Nazi way of doing things.
Certainly not a sock-puppet
2009-01-05 01:47:56 UTC
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Post by Sir Kevin Rudd
I've noticed the Zionazi's have moved onto the next stage after reading how
the Nazi'sreacted with an uprising in the Warsaw Ghetto, and entered into
the Ghetto to kill anyone involved in the uprising.
Apostrophe's and they're use's, imbec'ile.
Jean Naimard
2009-01-05 05:57:42 UTC
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Post by s***@gmail.com
The worst thing is the moral inversion, in which the murderous
victimisation of innocent Israelis
They are not entirely innocent: they vote for the politicians who provoke
the wars.
broadssailor
2009-01-05 11:43:15 UTC
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Post by Jean Naimard
Post by s***@gmail.com
The worst thing is the moral inversion, in which the murderous
victimisation of innocent Israelis
They are not entirely innocent: they vote for the politicians who provoke
the wars.
I see - democracy is only acceptable if it comes up with the 'right'
result?

Why Did the Palestinians vote for Hamas? (In elections recognised as
exemplary by international observers - but that was before the result
was known :-) )

Why did the German People vote for National Socialism and Hitler?

I suppose it couldn't be due to their desperation, could it?
Mel Rowing
2009-01-05 11:56:22 UTC
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Post by broadssailor
Post by Jean Naimard
Post by s***@gmail.com
The worst thing is the moral inversion, in which the murderous
victimisation of innocent Israelis
They are not entirely innocent: they vote for the politicians who provoke
the wars.
I see - democracy is only acceptable if it comes up with the 'right'
result?
Why Did the Palestinians vote for Hamas? (In elections recognised  as
exemplary by international observers - but that was before the result
was known :-)  )
Why did the German People vote for National Socialism and Hitler?
I suppose it couldn't be due to their desperation, could it?
Hardly the point!

Is it your position that because Hamas was democratically elected to
govern Gaza then it's perfectly OK for attacks to be made from the
territory of Gaza against another country Israel but not OK for that
attacked country to respond in kind?

I think the point is that when electorates vote for war, then they
should not be too surprised when they get it.

Neither should others be too sympathetic with regard to the
deprivations consequent to that war on those people who voted for it
out of desperation or otherwise.
broadssailor
2009-01-05 12:45:41 UTC
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Post by Mel Rowing
Is it your position that because Hamas was democratically elected to
govern Gaza then it's perfectly OK for attacks to be made from the
territory of Gaza against another country Israel but not OK for that
attacked country to respond in kind?
Respond in kind? RESPOND IN KIND???? You wouldn't recognise truth if
it bit you on the arse!
Peter Webb
2009-01-05 13:01:25 UTC
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Post by broadssailor
Post by Mel Rowing
Is it your position that because Hamas was democratically elected to
govern Gaza then it's perfectly OK for attacks to be made from the
territory of Gaza against another country Israel but not OK for that
attacked country to respond in kind?
Respond in kind? RESPOND IN KIND???? You wouldn't recognise truth if
it bit you on the arse!
The Israelis have fired far fewer missiles into Gaza than Hamas has into
Israel.
Sir Kevin Rudd
2009-01-06 01:39:40 UTC
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Post by broadssailor
Post by Jean Naimard
Post by s***@gmail.com
The worst thing is the moral inversion, in which the murderous
victimisation of innocent Israelis
They are not entirely innocent: they vote for the politicians who provoke
the wars.
I see - democracy is only acceptable if it comes up with the 'right'
result?
Why Did the Palestinians vote for Hamas? (In elections recognised as
exemplary by international observers - but that was before the result
was known :-) )
Why did the German People vote for National Socialism and Hitler?
I suppose it couldn't be due to their desperation, could it?
Hardly the point!
Is it your position that because Hamas was democratically elected to
govern Gaza then it's perfectly OK for attacks to be made from the
territory of Gaza against another country Israel but not OK for that
attacked country to respond in kind?
The U.S and Israel REFUSED to recognise the democratically elected
government of Palestine.

This is when the problems started.

You don't have to agree with Hamas, you don't have to like Hamas, but the
U.S and Israel have once again shown us how childish they are by NOT
RECOGNISING Hamas as the legitimate government of Palestine.
SKD
2009-01-06 12:46:46 UTC
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Post by Sir Kevin Rudd
Post by broadssailor
Post by Jean Naimard
Post by s***@gmail.com
The worst thing is the moral inversion, in which the murderous
victimisation of innocent Israelis
They are not entirely innocent: they vote for the politicians who provoke
the wars.
I see - democracy is only acceptable if it comes up with the 'right'
result?
Why Did the Palestinians vote for Hamas? (In elections recognised as
exemplary by international observers - but that was before the result
was known :-) )
Why did the German People vote for National Socialism and Hitler?
I suppose it couldn't be due to their desperation, could it?
Hardly the point!
Is it your position that because Hamas was democratically elected to
govern Gaza then it's perfectly OK for attacks to be made from the
territory of Gaza against another country Israel but not OK for that
attacked country to respond in kind?
The U.S and Israel REFUSED to recognise the democratically elected
government of Palestine.
This is when the problems started.
You don't have to agree with Hamas, you don't have to like Hamas, but the
U.S and Israel have once again shown us how childish they are by NOT
RECOGNISING Hamas as the legitimate government of Palestine.
Hamas and Hizb are not achieving anything. A good example is the
destruction of Lebanon that took place. Now blatant war crimes are
being committed live in front of world media and no one out there
could say boo. World should get the greater Israel.
drref
2009-01-05 12:45:30 UTC
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Post by Jean Naimard
Post by s***@gmail.com
The worst thing is the moral inversion, in which the murderous
victimisation of innocent Israelis
They are not entirely innocent: they vote for the politicians who provoke
the wars.
That logic is the same as mine: GAZANS voted for HAMAS who provoked this
war.
Sir Kevin Rudd
2009-01-06 01:40:20 UTC
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Post by drref
Post by Jean Naimard
Post by s***@gmail.com
The worst thing is the moral inversion, in which the murderous
victimisation of innocent Israelis
They are not entirely innocent: they vote for the politicians who provoke
the wars.
That logic is the same as mine: GAZANS voted for HAMAS who provoked this
war.
And the U.S and Israel refuse to recognise democracy.
drref
2009-01-06 03:15:27 UTC
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Post by Sir Kevin Rudd
Post by drref
Post by Jean Naimard
Post by s***@gmail.com
The worst thing is the moral inversion, in which the murderous
victimisation of innocent Israelis
They are not entirely innocent: they vote for the politicians who provoke
the wars.
That logic is the same as mine: GAZANS voted for HAMAS who provoked this
war.
And the U.S and Israel refuse to recognise democracy.
No if Hamas was democratically elected by the Palisimeans, then the
Palisimeans have declared their intentions. Hence the Israelies are
provoked.
Sir Kevin Rudd
2009-01-06 07:17:03 UTC
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Post by drref
Post by Sir Kevin Rudd
Post by drref
Post by Jean Naimard
Post by s***@gmail.com
The worst thing is the moral inversion, in which the murderous
victimisation of innocent Israelis
They are not entirely innocent: they vote for the politicians who provoke
the wars.
That logic is the same as mine: GAZANS voted for HAMAS who provoked this
war.
And the U.S and Israel refuse to recognise democracy.
No if Hamas was democratically elected by the Palisimeans, then the
Palisimeans have declared their intentions. Hence the Israelies are
provoked.
They did vote for Hamas and the U.S refused to recognise them as the
government.

Therefore the U.S is against democracy.
Sunny
2009-01-06 07:20:23 UTC
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Post by Sir Kevin Rudd
Post by drref
Post by Sir Kevin Rudd
Post by drref
Post by Jean Naimard
Post by s***@gmail.com
The worst thing is the moral inversion, in which the murderous
victimisation of innocent Israelis
They are not entirely innocent: they vote for the politicians who provoke
the wars.
That logic is the same as mine: GAZANS voted for HAMAS who provoked
this war.
And the U.S and Israel refuse to recognise democracy.
No if Hamas was democratically elected by the Palisimeans, then the
Palisimeans have declared their intentions. Hence the Israelies are
provoked.
They did vote for Hamas and the U.S refused to recognise them as the
government.
Therefore the U.S is against democracy.
Hamas is not an newly emergent 'solution'. It is not a democratic party.
It has simply usurped the democratic process for its own ends. They have
been feverishly working for the past decade or so towards two goals: the
total Islamization of Palestinian society and the total destruction of
Israel. This is not a political party that has come into power, nor are
they interested in political solutions. Neither do they harbour intentions
compatible with any Westernized understanding of the democratic process.

In short, using the word "democracy" in association with Hamas is a joke.
Palestine, under Hamas, is a religious 'nation' which lives for and by
hatred, mass casualty suicide bomb attacks, and the murder of as many
Israelis as they can manage. They have no other agenda. No economic policy
was promoted pre-election. The entire 'dialogue', if you can call it that,
was about power. That is all that interests Hamas.
Sir Kevin Rudd
2009-01-06 09:37:57 UTC
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Post by Sunny
Post by Sir Kevin Rudd
Post by drref
Post by Sir Kevin Rudd
Post by drref
Post by Jean Naimard
Post by s***@gmail.com
The worst thing is the moral inversion, in which the murderous
victimisation of innocent Israelis
They are not entirely innocent: they vote for the politicians who provoke
the wars.
That logic is the same as mine: GAZANS voted for HAMAS who provoked
this war.
And the U.S and Israel refuse to recognise democracy.
No if Hamas was democratically elected by the Palisimeans, then the
Palisimeans have declared their intentions. Hence the Israelies are
provoked.
They did vote for Hamas and the U.S refused to recognise them as the
government.
Therefore the U.S is against democracy.
Hamas is not an newly emergent 'solution'. It is not a democratic party.
It has simply usurped the democratic process for its own ends. They have
been feverishly working for the past decade or so towards two goals: the
total Islamization of Palestinian society and the total destruction of
Israel. This is not a political party that has come into power, nor are
they interested in political solutions. Neither do they harbour intentions
compatible with any Westernized understanding of the democratic process.
In short, using the word "democracy" in association with Hamas is a joke.
Bullshit.

Democracy means representing the majority of the voters. A majority of the
voters voted for Hamas.

Israel and the U.S must recognise this, whether they like Hamas or not is
irrelevent.

Everytime the U.S attacks Democracy and Freedom, it encourages hate, fear
and violence. They should have learnt this by now.
Krudd the Dud
2009-01-06 09:48:54 UTC
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On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:37:57 +1000, "Sir Kevin Rudd"
Post by Sir Kevin Rudd
Post by Sunny
In short, using the word "democracy" in association with Hamas is a joke.
Bullshit.
Democracy means representing the majority of the voters. A majority of the
voters voted for Hamas.
That is correct, but by their own actions, Hamas has clearly shown not
interested in democracy.

If they are, why did they chase all opposition out of Gaza?

Waiting for sane explanation from Flanges Bum, self described "citizen
of the world".
Sir Kevin Rudd
2009-01-06 10:48:51 UTC
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Post by Krudd the Dud
On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:37:57 +1000, "Sir Kevin Rudd"
Post by Sir Kevin Rudd
Post by Sunny
In short, using the word "democracy" in association with Hamas is a joke.
Bullshit.
Democracy means representing the majority of the voters. A majority of the
voters voted for Hamas.
That is correct, but by their own actions, Hamas has clearly shown not
interested in democracy.
If they are, why did they chase all opposition out of Gaza?
Get on google and do some research.

Once you have worked out why come back and talk to the adults.
Krudd the Dudd
2009-01-06 22:02:55 UTC
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On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:48:51 +1000, "Sir Kevin Rudd"
Post by Sir Kevin Rudd
Get on google and do some research.
Once you have worked out why come back and talk to the adults.
That would by definition exclude you.
Sir Kevin Rudd
2009-01-07 03:58:34 UTC
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Post by Krudd the Dudd
On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:48:51 +1000, "Sir Kevin Rudd"
Post by Sir Kevin Rudd
Get on google and do some research.
Once you have worked out why come back and talk to the adults.
That would by definition exclude you.
Have you googled it yet?
Topaz
2009-01-06 02:59:20 UTC
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by James Buchanan

Let's say the Germans merely removed the Jews from positions of
political power and banned them from the legal profession. Germany
went from devastating economic poverty in 1932 to full employment just
a couple years later. If an incredible economic improvement can be
achieved, merely by removing the Jews from power (and replacing them
with patriotic nationalists), then every Gentile nation in the world
should give this a try.

Obviously the Jews don't want anyone else getting the idea of removing
them to create prosperity. The Jews control the mass media in most
Western countries. Most people don't know about the Balfour
Declaration. During World War One, Zionist Jews offered to use their
control of the press to bring America into World War One if Britain
would promise them Palestine. This offer was dubbed the Balfour
Declaration. If the Jews had enough media control and influence to
push America into World War One in 1917, what else have they done with
their power?

It was a huge embarrassment for the Jews to see Germany so prosperous
in the mid-1930s after removing them from power. They considered this
a dangerous precedent. To deal with this "problem" the Jewish World
Congress declared war on Germany in 1933. This declaration of war at
least encouraged a world-wide boycott against Germany and at worst
encouraged other nations of the world to become hostile toward
Germany. (The Jews curiously sanctioned the Germans before the Germans
passed any laws restricting the Jews.) More importantly the Jews
pushed vicious anti-German slander in all the Jewish-owned newspapers
in the West in the years leading up to World War Two. The Communist
mass murder of 30 million people in Russia and the Ukraine received
almost no publicity in the Jewish media. Most people in the West only
heard a serious mention of these Communist mass murders beginning in
the 1980s. Instead, the Jewish media focused all their hatred and
agitation against Germany and its allies.

After six years of relentless agitation, the Jews pushed England and
France into war with Germany. Only two years later, FDR and his cabal
of Jews provoked a war with Japan (and Germany).

Naturally, the Jews did not want future historians to say: "World War
Two was provoked by the Jewish media in retaliation for Germany
removing the Jews from power." The Jews needed a new reason for World
War Two. A reason that painted their enemies as unquestionably evil.
So they invented the Holocaust.

The Holocaust stood mostly unchallenged for decades after the war
because people feared being branded "Nazi-sympathizers" for
questioning its details. The truth always comes out in the long run.
Professor Arthur Butz published his famous work "The Hoax of the 20th
Century" in 1977 detailing a very solid argument against this war
propaganda. Dr. Butz pointed out that the world population of Jews
remained at about 16 million before and after the war. He also noted
that half a million Jews remained in Paris after four years of German
occupation. Both these facts strongly suggest the Holocaust is a
fraud, but the political power of the Jews has suppressed and punished
any public questioning of the Holocaust to this day. David Irving
joined the ranks of Revisionist historians several years ago and went
from a famous successful author to a pariah thanks to persecution by
the Jews.

The Institute for Historical Review has done great work exposing the
Holocaust as a great historical fraud. Anyone interested in looking
for historical truth should visit their website. It's a shock for many
people to see how much propaganda we've been force fed.

http://www.ihr.org

http://www.ihr.org/ http://www.natvan.com

http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.nsm88.org

http://wsi.matriots.com/jews.html
Michael Ejercito
2009-01-06 15:37:56 UTC
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Post by Topaz
by James Buchanan
Let's say the Germans merely removed the Jews from positions of
political power and banned them from the legal profession. Germany
went from devastating economic poverty in 1932 to full employment just
a couple years later.
The ending was a Germany in ruins.


Michael
Topaz
2009-01-07 21:46:58 UTC
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An article by Dr. Joseph Goebbels, January 21, 1945
The Creators of the World's Misfortunes
by Joseph Goebbels

One could not understand this war if one did not always keep in mind
the fact that International Jewry stands behind all the unnatural
forces that our united enemies use to attempt to deceive the world and
keep humanity in the dark. It is so to speak the mortar that holds the
enemy coalition firmly together, despite its differences of class,
ideology and interests. Capitalism and Bolshevism have the same Jewish
roots, two branches of the same tree that in the end bear the same
fruit. International Jewry uses both in its own way to suppress the
nations and keep them in its service. How deep its influence on public
opinion is in all the enemy countries and many neutral nations is
plain to see that it may never be named in newspapers, speeches and
radio broadcasts. There is a law in the Soviet Union that punishes
anti-Semitism - or in plain English, public education about the Jewish
Question - by death. The expert in these matters is in no way
surprised that a leading spokesman for the Kremlin said over the New
Year that the Soviet Union would not rest until this law was valid
throughout the world. In other words, the enemy clearly says that its
goal in this war is to put the total domination of Jewry over the
nations of the earth under legal protection, and to threaten even a
discussion of this shameful attempt with the death penalty.

It is little different in the plutocratic nations. There the struggle
against the impudent usurpation of the Jewish race is not punished by
the executioner, rather by death through economic and social boycott
and by intellectual terror. This has the same effect in the end.
Stalin, Churchill and Roosevelt were made by the Jewry. They enjoy its
full support and reward it with their full protection. They present
themselves in their speeches as upright men of civil courage, yet one
never hears even a word against the Jews, even though there is growing
hatred among their people as a result of this war, a hatred that is
fully justified. Jewry is a tabu theme in the enemy countries. It
stands outside every legal boundary and thus becomes the tyrant of its
host peoples. While enemy soldiers fight, bleed and die at the front,
the Jews make money from their sacrifice on the stock exchanges and
black markets. If a brave man dares to step forward and accuse the
Jews of their crimes, he will be mocked and spat on by their press,
chased from his job or otherwise impoverished, and be brought into
public contempt. Even that is apparently not enough for the Jews. They
want to bring Soviet conditions to the whole world: to give Jewry
absolute power and freedom from prosecution. He who objects or even
debates the matter gets a bullet in the back of his head or an axe
through his neck. There is no worse tyranny than this. This is the
epitome of the public and secret disgrace that Jewry inflicts on the
nations that deserve freedom.

That is all long behind us. Yet it still threatens us in the distance.
We have, it is true, entirely broken the power of the Jews in the
Reich, but they have not given up. They did not rest until they had
mobilized the whole world against us. Since they could no longer
conquer Germany from within, they want to try it from without. Every
Russian, English and American soldier is a mercenary of this world
conspiracy of a parasitic race. Given the current state of the war,
who could still believe that they are fighting and dying at the front
for the national interests of their countries! The nations want a
decent peace, but the Jews are against it. They know that the end of
the war would mean the dawning knowledge of humanity of the unhealthy
role that International Jewry played in preparing for and carrying out
this war. They fear being unmasked, which has in fact become
unavoidable and must inevitably come, just as the day follows the
night. That explains their raging bursts of hatred against us, which
are only the result of their fear and their feelings of inferiority.
They are too eager, and that makes them suspicious. International
Jewry will not succeed in turning this war to its advantage. Things
are already too far along. The hour will come in which all the peoples
of the earth will awake, and the Jews will be the victims. Here too
things can only go so far.

It is an old, often-used method of International Jewry to discredit
education and knowledge about its corrupting nature and drives,
thereby depending on the weaknesses of those people who easily confuse
cause with effect. The Jews are also masters at manipulating public
opinion, which they dominate through their network of news agencies
and press concerns that reaches throughout the world. The pitiful
illusion of a free press is one of the methods they use to stupefy the
publics of enemy lands. If the enemy press is as free as it pretends
to be, let it take an open position, for or against, on the Jewish
Question. It will not do that because it cannot and may not do so. The
Jews love to mock and criticize everything except themselves, although
everyone knows that they are most in need of public criticism. This is
where the so-called freedom of the press in enemy countries ends.
Newspapers, parliaments, statesmen and church leaders must be silent
here. Crimes and vices, filth and corruption are covered by the
blanket of love. The Jews have total control of public opinion in
enemy countries, and he who has that is also master of all of public
life. Only the nations that have to accept such a condition are to be
pitied. The Jews mislead them into believing that the German nation is
backward. Our alleged backwardness is actually proof of our progress.
We have recognized the Jews as a national and international danger,
and from this knowledge have drawn compelling conclusions. This German
knowledge will become the knowledge of he world at the end of this
war. We think it our primary duty to do everything in our power to
make that happen.

Humanity would sink into eternal darkness, it would fall into a dull
and primitive state, were the Jews to win this war. They are the
incarnation of that destructive force that in these terrible years has
guided the enemy war leadership in a fight against all that we see as
noble, beautiful and worth keeping. For that reason alone the Jews
hate it. They despite our culture and learning, which they perceive as
towering over their nomadic worldview. They fear our economic and
social standards, which leave no room for their parasitic drives, They
are the enemy of our domestic order, which has excluded their
anarchistic tendencies. Germany is the first nation in the world that
is entirely free of the Jews. That is the prime cause of its political
and economic balance. Since their expulsion from the German national
body has made it impossible for them to shake this balance from
within, they lead the nations they have deceived in battle against us
from without. It is fine with them, in fact it is part of their plan,
that Europe in the process will lose a large part of its cultural
values. The Jews had no part in their creation. They do not understand
them. A deep racial instinct tells them that since these heights of
human creative activity are forever out of their reach, they must
attack them today with hatred. The day is not distant when the nations
of Europe, yes, even those of the whole world, will shout: The Jews
are guilty for all our misfortunes! They must be called to account,
and soon and thoroughly!
International Jewry is ready with its alibi. Just as during the great
reckoning in Germany, they will attempt to look innocent and say that
one needs a scapegoat, and they are it. But that will no longer help
them, just as it did not help them during the National Socialist
revolution, The proof of their historical guilt, in details large and
small, is so plain that they can no longer be denied even with the
most clever lies and hypocrisy.

Who is it that drives the Russians, the English and the Americans into
battle and sacrifices huge numbers of human lives in a hopeless
struggle against the German people? The Jews! Their newspapers and
radio broadcasts spread the songs of war while the nations they have
deceived are led to the slaughter. Who is it that invents new plans of
hatred and destruction against us every day, making this war into a
dreadful case of self-mutilation and self-destruction of European life
and its economy, education and culture? The Jews! Who devised the
unnatural marriage between England and the USA on one side and
Bolshevism on the other, building it up and jealously ensuring its
continuance? Who covers the most perverse political situations with
cynical hypocrisy from a trembling fear that a new way could lead the
nations to realize the true causes of this terrible human catastrophe?
The Jews, only the Jews! They are named Morgenthau and Lehmann and
stand behind Roosevelt as a so-called brain trust. They are named
Mechett and Sasoon and serve as Churchill's money bags and order
givers. They are named Kaganovitsch and Ehrenburg and are Stalin's
pacesetters and intellectual spokesmen. Wherever you look, you see
Jews. They march as political commisars behind the Red army and
organize murder and terror in the areas conquered by the Soviets. They
sit behind the lines in Paris and Brussels, Rome and Athens, and
fashion their reins from the skin of the unhappy nations that have
fallen under their power.

That is the truth. It can no longer be denied, particularly since in
their drunken joy of power and victory the Jews have forgotten their
ordinarily so carefully maintained reserve and now stand in the
spotlight of public opinion. They no longer bother, apparently
believing that it is no longer necessary, that their hour has come.
And this is their mistake, which they always make when think
themselves near their great goal of anonymous world domination.
Thoughout the history of the nations, whenever this tragic situation
developed, a good providence saw to it that the Jews themselves became
the grave diggers of their own hopes. They did not destroy the healthy
peoples, rather the sting of their parasitic effects brought the
realization of the looming danger to the forefront and led to the
greatest sacrifices to overcome it. At a certain point, they become
that power that always wants evil but creates good. It will be that
way this time too.

The fact that the German nation was the first on earth to recognize
this danger and expel it from its organism is proof of its healthy
instincts. It therefore became the leader of a world struggle whose
results will determine of fate and the future of International Jewry.
We view with complete calm the wild Old Testament tirades of hatred
and revenge of Jews throughout the world against us. They are only
proof that we are on the right path. They cannot unsettle us. We gaze
on them with sovereign contempt and remember that these outbursts of
hate and revenge were everyday events for us in Germany until that
fateful day for International Jewry, 30 January 1933, when the world
revolution against the Jews that threateend not only Germany, but all
the other nations, began.
It will not cease before it has reached its goal. The truth can not be
stopped by lies or force. It will get through. The Jews will meet
their Cannae at the end of this war. Not Europe, rather they will
lose. They may laugh at this prophecy today, but they have laughed so
often in the past, and almost as often they stopped laughing sooner or
later. Not only do we know precisely what we want, we also know
precisely what we do not want. The deceived nations of he Earth may
still lack the knowledge they need, but we will bring it to them. How
will the Jews stop that in the long run? They believe their power
rests on sure foundations, but it stands on feet of clay. One hard
blow and it will collapse, burying the creators of the misfortunes of
the world in its ruins.


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http://wsi.matriots.com/jews.html
Michael Ejercito
2009-01-07 23:02:34 UTC
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 An article by Dr. Joseph Goebbels, January 21, 1945
I read somewhere that he killed himself and his family.
The Creators of the World's Misfortunes
Nazis created a lot of misfortune.

Now they consume a lot of meth and kiddie porn.

You are a Nazi.

As a Nazi, you are, above all else, a craven coward.

You are afraid to compete with others as equals because you know
you can not measure up.

You are afraid of your own inadequacy, so you want to murder your
betters.

You are afraid of the truth, so you want to murder those who would
tell it.

You are afraid of history, so you want to murder the past, to wipe
out the knowledge of the degeneracy, cowardice and failure of
National
Socialism.

Finally, you are afraid of the power of educated, informed adults.
Freedom of choice terrifies you... which is why you choose minor
children as sexual partners. You can not interact with competent
adults in a consensually sexual
way. You need to be able to impose yourself on a helpless victim, be
it a prepubescent
boy, or a patient in a mental hospital.

That is what you are, a Nazi, and there is nothing polite or
honest about it.

Michael
Topaz
2009-01-08 03:01:58 UTC
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Here is part of Hitler's speech at Rheinmetall-Borsig Works, Berlin,
on December 10, 1940:

"In this Anglo-French world there exists, as it were, democracy, which
means the rule of the people by the people. Now the people must
possess some means of giving expression to their thoughts or their
wishes. Examining this problem more closely, we see that the people
themselves have originally no convictions of their own. Their
convictions are formed, of course, just as everywhere else. The
decisive question is who enlightens the people, who educates them? In
those countries, it is actually capital that rules; that is, nothing
more than a clique of a few hundred men who possess untold wealth and,
as a consequence of the peculiar structure of their national life, are
more or less independent and free. They say: 'Here we have liberty.'
By this they mean, above all, an uncontrolled economy, and by an
uncontrolled economy, the freedom not only to acquire capital but to
make absolutely free use of it. That means freedom from national
control or control by the people both in the acquisition of capital
and in its employment. This is really what they mean when they speak
of liberty. These capitalists create their own press and then speak of
the 'freedom of the press.'

In reality, every one of the newspapers has a master, and in every
case this master is the capitalist, the owner. This master, not the
editor, is the one who directs the policy of the paper. If the editor
tries to write other than what suits the master, he is ousted the next
day. This press, which is the absolutely submissive and characterless
slave of the owners, molds public opinion. Public opinion thus
mobilized by them is, in its turn, split up into political parties.
The difference between these parties is as small as it formerly was in
Germany. You know them, of course - the old parties. They were always
one and the same. In Britain matters are usually so arranged that
families are divided up, one member being a conservative, another a
liberal, and a third belonging to the labor party. Actually, all three
sit together as members of the family, decide upon their common
attitude and determine it. A further point is that the 'elected
people' actually form a community which operates and controls all
these organizations. For this reason, the opposition in England is
really always the same, for on all essential matters in which the
opposition has to make itself felt, the parties are always in
agreement. They have one and the same conviction and through the
medium of the press mold public opinion along corresponding lines. One
might well believe that in these countries of liberty and riches, the
people must possess an unlimited degree of prosperity. But no! On the
contrary, it is precisely in these countries that the distress of the
masses is greater than anywhere else. Such is the case in 'rich
Britain.'

She controls sixteen million square miles. In India, for example, a
hundred million colonial workers with a wretched standard of living
must labor for her. One might think, perhaps, that at least in England
itself every person must have his share of these riches. By no means!
In that country class distinction is the crassest imaginable. There is
poverty - incredible poverty - on the one side, and equally incredible
wealth on the other. They have not solved a single problem. The
workmen of that country which possesses more than one-sixth of the
globe and of the world's natural resources dwell in misery, and the
masses of the people are poorly clad.. In a country which ought to
have more than enough bread and every sort of fruit, we find millions
of the lower classes who have not even enough to fill their stomachs,
and go about hungry. A nation which could provide work for the whole
world must acknowledge the fact that it cannot even abolish
unemployment at home. For decades this rich Britain has had two and a
half million unemployed; rich America, ten to thirteen millions, year
after year; France, six, seven, and eight hundred thousand. Well, my
fellow-countrymen - what then are we to say about ourselves?
It is self-evident that where this democracy rules, the people as such
are not taken into consideration at all. The only thing that matters
is the existence of a few hundred gigantic capitalists who own all the
factories and their stock and, through them, control the people. The
masses of the people do not interest them in the least. They are
interested in them just as were our bourgeois parties in former times
- only when elections are being held, when they need votes. Otherwise,
the life of the masses is a matter of complete indifference to them.

To this must be added the difference in education. Is it not ludicrous
to hear a member of the British Labor Party - who, of course, as a
member of the Opposition is officially paid by the government - say:
'When the war is over, we will do something in social respects'?
It is the members of Parliament who are the directors of the business
concerns - just as used to be the case with us. But we have abolished
all that. A member of the Reichstag cannot belong to a Board of
Directors, except as a purely honorary member. He is prohibited from
accepting any emolument, financial or otherwise. This is not the case
in other countries.

They reply: 'That is why our form of government is sacred to us.' I
can well believe it, for that form of government certainly pays very
well.. But whether it is sacred to the mass of the people as well is
another matter.

The people as a whole definitely suffer. I do not consider it possible
in the long run for one man to work and toil for a whole year in
return for ridiculous wages, while another jumps into an express train
once a year and pockets enormous sums. Such conditions are a disgrace.
On the other hand, we National Socialists equally oppose the theory
that all men are equals. Today, when a man of genius makes some
astounding invention and enormously benefits his country by his
brains, we pay him his due, for he has really accomplished something
and been of use to his country. However, we hope to make it impossible
for idle drones to inhabit this country.

I could continue to cite examples indefinitely. The fact remains that
two worlds are face to face with one another. Our opponents are quite
right when they say: 'Nothing can reconcile us to the National
Socialist world.' How could a narrow-minded capitalist ever agree to
my principles? It would be easier for the Devil to go to church and
cross himself with holy water than for these people to comprehend the
ideas which are accepted facts to us today. But we have solved our
problems.

To take another instance where we are condemned: They claim to be
fighting for the maintenance of the gold standard as the currency
basis. That I can well believe, for the gold is in their hands. We,
too, once had gold, but it was stolen and extorted from us. When I
came to power, it was not malice which made me abandon the gold
standard. Germany simply had no gold left. Consequently, quitting the
gold standard presented no difficulties, for it is always easy to part
with what one does not have. We had no gold. We had no foreign
exchange. They had all been stolen and extorted from us during the
previous fifteen years. But, my fellow countrymen, I did not regret
it, for we have constructed our economic system on a wholly different
basis. In our eyes, gold is not of value in itself. It is only an
agent by which nations can be suppressed and dominated.
When I took over the government, I had only one hope on which to
build, namely, the efficiency and ability of the German nation and the
German workingman; the intelligence of our inventors, engineers,
technicians, chemists, and so forth. I built on the strength which
animates our economic system. One simple question faced me: Are we to
perish because we have no gold; am I to believe in a phantom which
spells our destruction? I championed the opposite opinion: Even though
we have no gold, we have capacity for work.

The German capacity for work is our gold and our capital, and with
this gold I can compete successfully with any power in the world. We
want to live in houses which have to be built. Hence, the workers must
build them, and the raw materials required must be procured by work.
My whole economic system has been built up on the conception of work.
We have solved our problems while, amazingly enough, the capitalist
countries and their currencies have suffered bankruptcy.

Sterling can find no market today. Throw it at any one and he will
step aside to avoid being hit. But our Reichsmark, which is backed by
no gold, has remained stable. Why? It has no gold cover; it is backed
by you and by your work. You have helped me to keep the mark stable.
German currency, with no gold coverage, is worth more today than gold
itself. It signifies unceasing production. This we owe to the German
farmer, who has worked from daybreak till nightfall. This we owe to
the German worker, who has given us his whole strength. The whole
problem has been solved in one instant, as if by magic.
My dear friends, if I had stated publicly eight or nine years ago: 'In
seven or eight years the problem of how to provide work for the
unemployed will be solved, and the problem then will be where to find
workers,' I should have harmed my cause. Every one would have
declared: 'The man is mad. It is useless to talk to him, much less to
support him. Nobody should vote for him. He is a fantastic creature.'
Today, however, all this has come true. Today, the only question for
us is where to find workers. That, my fellow countrymen, is the
blessing which work brings.

Work alone can create new work; money cannot create work. Work alone
can create values, values with which to reward those who work. The
work of one man makes it possible for another to live and continue to
work. And when we have mobilized the working capacity of our people to
its utmost, each individual worker will receive more and more of the
world's goods.

We have incorporated seven million unemployed into our economic
system; we have transformed another six millions from part-time into
full-time workers; we are even working overtime. And all this is paid
for in cash in Reichsmarks which maintained their value in peacetime.
In wartime we had to ration its purchasing capacity, not in order to
devalue it, but simply to earmark a portion of our industry for war
production to guide us to victory in the struggle for the future of
Germany...

One thing is certain, my fellow-countrymen: All in all, we have today
a state with a different economic and political orientation from that
of the Western democracies.
Well, it must now be made possible for the British worker to travel.
It is remarkable that they should at last hit upon the idea that
traveling should be something not for millionaires alone, but for the
people too. In this country, the problem was solved some time ago. In
the other countries - as is shown by their whole economic structure -
the selfishness of a relatively small stratum rules under the mask of
democracy. This stratum is neither checked nor controlled by anyone.

It is therefore understandable if an Englishman says: 'We do not want
our world to be subject to any sort of collapse.' Quite so. The
English know full well that their Empire is not menaced by us. But
they say quite truthfully: 'If the ideas that are popular in Germany
are not completely eliminated, they might become popular among our own
people, and that is the danger. We do not want this.' It would do no
harm if they did become popular there, but these people are just as
narrow-minded as many once were in Germany. In this respect they
prefer to remain bound to their conservative methods. They do not wish
to depart from them, and do not conceal the fact.

They say, 'The German methods do not suit us at all.'
And what are these methods? You know, my comrades, that I have
destroyed nothing in Germany. I have always proceeded very carefully,
because I believe - as I have already said - that we cannot afford to
wreck anything. I am proud that the Revolution of 1933 was brought to
pass without breaking a single windowpane. Nevertheless, we have
wrought enormous changes.

I wish to put before you a few basic facts: The first is that in the
capitalistic democratic world the most important principle of economy
is that the people exist for trade and industry, and that these in
turn exist for capital. We have reversed this principle by making
capital exist for trade and industry, and trade and industry exist for
the people. In other words, the people come first. Everything else is
but a means to this end. When an economic system is not capable of
feeding and clothing a people, then it is bad, regardless of whether a
few hundred people say: 'As far as I am concerned it is good,
excellent; my dividends are splendid.'

However, the dividends do not interest me at all. Here we have drawn
the line. They may then retort: 'Well, look here, that is just what we
mean. You jeopardize liberty.'
Yes, certainly, we jeopardize the liberty to profiteer at the expense
of the community, and, if necessary, we even abolish it. British
capitalists, to mention only one instance, can pocket dividends of 76,
80, 95, 140, and even 160 per cent from their armament industry.
Naturally they say: 'If the German methods grow apace and should prove
victorious, this sort of thing will stop.'

They are perfectly right. I should never tolerate such a state of
affairs. In my eyes, a 6 per cent dividend is sufficient. Even from
this 6 per cent we deduct one-half and, as for the rest, we must have
definite proof that it is invested in the interest of the country as a
whole. In other words, no individual has the right to dispose
arbitrarily of money which ought to be invested for the good of the
country. If he disposes of it sensibly, well and good; if not, the
National Socialist state will intervene.

To take another instance, besides dividends there are the so-called
directors' fees. You probably have no idea how appallingly active a
board of directors is. Once a year its members have to make a journey.
They have to go to the station, get into a first-class compartment and
travel to some place or other. They arrive at an appointed office at
about 10 or 11 A.M. There they must listen to a report. When the
report has been read, they must listen to a few comments on it. They
may be kept in their seats until 1 P.M. or even 2. Shortly after 2
o'clock they rise from their chairs and set out on their homeward
journey, again, of course, traveling first class. It is hardly
surprising that they claim 3,000, 4,000, or even 5,000 as compensation
for this: Our directors formerly did the same - for what a lot of time
it costs them! Such effort had to be made worth while! Of course, we
have got rid of all this nonsense, which was merely veiled
profiteering and even bribery.
In Germany, the people, without any doubt, decide their existence.
They determine the principles of their government. In fact it has been
possible in this country to incorporate many of the broad masses into
the National Socialist party, that gigantic organization embracing
millions and having millions of officials drawn from the people
themselves. This principle is extended to the highest ranks.

For the first time in German history, we have a state which has
absolutely abolished all social prejudices in regard to political
appointments as well as in private life. I myself am the best proof of
this. Just imagine: I am not even a lawyer, and yet I am your Leader!
It is not only in ordinary life that we have succeeded in appointing
the best among the people for every position. We have
Reichsstatthalters who were formerly agricultural laborers or
locksmiths. Yes, we have even succeeded in breaking down prejudice in
a place where it was most deep-seated -in the fighting forces.
Thousands of officers are being promoted from the ranks today. We have
done away with prejudice. We have generals who were ordinary soldiers
and noncommissioned officers twenty-two and twenty-three years ago. In
this instance, too, we have overcome all social obstacles. Thus, we
are building up our life for the future.

As you know we have countless schools, national political educational
establishments, Adolf Hitler schools, and so on. To these schools we
send gifted children of the broad masses, children of working men,
farmers' sons whose parents could never have afforded a higher
education for their children. We take them in gradually. They are
educated here, sent to the Ordensburgen, to the Party, later to take
their place in the State where they will some day fill the highest
posts....

Opposed to this there stands a completely different world. In the
world the highest ideal is the struggle for wealth, for capital, for
family possessions, for personal egoism; everything else is merely a
means to such ends. Two worlds confront each other today. We know
perfectly well that if we are defeated in this war it would not only
be the end of our National Socialist work of reconstruction, but the
end of the German people as a whole. For without its powers of
coordination, the German people would starve. Today the masses
dependent on us number 120 or 130 millions, of which 85 millions alone
are our own people. We remain ever aware of this fact.

On the other hand, that other world says: 'If we lose, our world-wide
capitalistic system will collapse. For it is we who save hoarded gold.
It is lying in our cellars and will lose its value. If the idea that
work is the decisive factor spreads abroad, what will happen to us? We
shall have bought our gold in vain. Our whole claim to world dominion
can then no longer be maintained. The people will do away with their
dynasties of high finance. They will present their social claims, and
the whole world system will be overthrown.'
I can well understand that they declare: 'Let us prevent this at all
costs; it must be prevented.' They can see exactly how our nation has
been reconstructed. You see it clearly. For instance, there we see a
state ruled by a numerically small upper class. They send their sons
to their own schools, to Eton. We have Adolf Hitler schools or
national political educational establishments. On the one hand, the
sons of plutocrats, financial magnates; on the other, the children of
the people. Etonians and Harrovians exclusively in leading positions
over there; in this country, men of the people in charge of the State.
These are the two worlds. I grant that one of the two must succumb.
Yes, one or the other. But if we were to succumb, the German people
would succumb with us. If the other were to succumb, I am convinced
that the nations will become free for the first time. We are not
fighting individual Englishmen or Frenchmen. We have nothing against
them. For years I proclaimed this as the aim of my foreign policy. We
demanded nothing of them, nothing at all. When they started the war
they could not say: 'We are doing so because the Germans asked this or
that of us.' They said, on the contrary: 'We are declaring war on you
because the German system of Government does not suit us; because we
fear it might spread to our own people.' For that reason they are
carrying on this war. They wanted to blast the German nation back to
the time of Versailles, to the indescribable misery of those days. But
they have made a great mistake.

If in this war everything points to the fact that gold is fighting
against work, capitalism against peoples, and reaction against the
progress of humanity, then work, the peoples, and progress will be
victorious. Even the support of the Jewish race will not avail the
others.

I have seen all this coming for years. What did I ask of the other
world? Nothing but the right for Germans to reunite and the
restoration of all that had been taken from them - nothing which would
have meant a loss to the other nations. How often have I stretched out
my hand to them? Ever since I came into power. I had not the slightest
wish to rearm.
For what do armaments mean? They absorb so much labor. It was I who
regarded work as being of decisive importance, who wished to employ
the working capacity of Germany for other plans. I think the news is
already out that, after all, I have some fairly important plans in my
mind, vast and splendid plans for my people. It is my ambition to make
the German people rich and to make the German homeland beautiful. I
want the standard of living of the individual raised. I want us to
have the most beautiful and the finest civilization. I should like the
theater - in fact, the whole of German civilization - to benefit all
the people and not to exist only for the upper ten thousand, as is the
case in England.

The plans which we had in mind were tremendous, and I needed workers
in order to realize them. Armament only deprives me of workers. I made
proposals to limit armaments. I was ridiculed. The only answer I
received was 'No.' I proposed the limitation of certain types of
armament. That was refused. I proposed that airplanes should be
altogether eliminated from warfare. That also was refused. I suggested
that bombers should be limited. That was refused. They said: 'That is
just how we wish to force our regime upon you.' ...



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B***@isp.com
2009-01-08 18:44:35 UTC
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   I read somewhere that he killed himself and his family.
You can read?? !!
Post by Topaz
The Creators of the World's Misfortunes
   Nazis created a lot of misfortune.
   Now they consume a lot of meth and kiddie porn.
There he goes again, obsessed with porn and drugs.
   You are a Nazi.
   As a Nazi, you are, above all else, a
NURSE!! Quick the needle, he's gone again!!

For God's sake get some help before it's too late.

snip rest of his drivel, he's posted the same thing 5000 times
already. I believe he
"read it somewhere".
   Finally, you are afraid of the power of educated, informed adults.
Well, that leaves you out.
Freedom of choice terrifies you... which is why you choose minor
children as sexual partners. You can not interact with competent
adults in a consensually sexual
way.
Still obsessed with sex with children. Are you seeking help for your
problem?


 You need to be able to impose yourself on a helpless victim, be
it a prepubescent
boy,
And yet *more* obsession with children and sex.


or a patient in a mental hospital.

*That* I can understand:)
   That is what you are, a Nazi, and there is nothing polite or
honest about it.
You are a moron.
 Michael
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