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Swastika attack on French mother.
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Tilly
2004-07-12 11:40:56 UTC
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French politicians have reacted with horror to an anti-Semitic attack on a
woman and her baby on a train.
A gang of young men cut her hair, slashed her clothes and drew swastikas on
her body, before overturning the pram in which her infant was lying.

Other passengers failed to intervene as the six men attacked the woman, whom
they accused of being Jewish.

President Jacques Chirac condemned the "shameful act", which came the day
after he vowed a crackdown on racism.

He demanded that "everything be done to catch the perpetrators... and that
they are judged and sentenced with all severity".

Surrounded

The 23-year-old woman was on a train just north of Paris on Friday morning,
with her 13-month-old baby.

Six men - described by French media as of North African appearance -
surrounded her and rifled through her bag.

According to police, they found papers referring to the wealthy 16th
district of the capital, and said: "There are only Jews in the 16th."

Police said the woman was not Jewish and no longer lived in the district.

The attackers reportedly shoved the woman, used a knife to cut her hair and
her shirt open, and drew swastikas on her stomach with a marker pen.

The baby was apparently tipped out of its pram in the melee.

Passengers criticised

Politicians from all sides condemned the attack.

Jean-Paul Huchon, president of the Ile-de-France region surrounding Paris,
despaired of the lack of reaction from fellow passengers.

He recalled the French deportation of Jewish children during German
occupation in World War II, saying: "And now, we let people be attacked like
this without reacting, without doing anything."

Interior Minister Dominique de Villepin ordered police to find the culprits
"as quickly as possible".

On Thursday, President Chirac complained of a spate of racist and
anti-Semitic attacks, including the desecration of Jewish and Muslim graves.

Commentators have linked increasing Muslim-Jewish tension to the continuing
conflict in the Middle East.

A few days previously, a report warned that poor suburban areas of French
cities were becoming ethnic "ghettoes", where radical Islam was taking root.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3884983.stm

Tilly
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Paul Abeles
2004-07-12 13:19:04 UTC
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Post by Tilly
French politicians have reacted with horror to an anti-Semitic attack on a
woman and her baby on a train.
A gang of young men cut her hair, slashed her clothes and drew swastikas on
her body, before overturning the pram in which her infant was lying.
Other passengers failed to intervene as the six men attacked the woman, whom
they accused of being Jewish.
A closer examination of the attack shows it wasnt motivated by antisemitism.
It was only after they attacked her did they discover her address and
thought she may have been Jewish.

If the Jewish bit wasnt mentioned the attack probably wouldn't have made the
news.
Daniel Bernard
2004-07-12 13:59:53 UTC
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Post by Paul Abeles
Post by Tilly
French politicians have reacted with horror to an anti-Semitic attack on a
woman and her baby on a train.
A gang of young men cut her hair, slashed her clothes and drew swastikas
on
Post by Tilly
her body, before overturning the pram in which her infant was lying.
Other passengers failed to intervene as the six men attacked the woman,
whom
Post by Tilly
they accused of being Jewish.
A closer examination of the attack shows it wasnt motivated by antisemitism.
It was only after they attacked her did they discover her address and
thought she may have been Jewish.
If the Jewish bit wasnt mentioned the attack probably wouldn't have made the
news.
Oh it would have made the news but it wouldn't have been posted around
16 times on Usenet.

See the thread "La mode de l'antisémitisme bat son plein" in
soc.culture.israel for possibly the only rational and adult discussion
of the anti-Semitism side of the story.
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Heinrich
2004-07-12 14:02:57 UTC
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it is said in the newspapers here that it is not certain whether this story
is true. they are sceptical(in france)because a rabbi from paris was
recently arrested because he claimed to have been stabbed by a young north
african boy while investigations revealed he did it himself so he was trying
to cause trouble against the muslim in france.




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Daniel Bernard
2004-07-12 14:50:34 UTC
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On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:02:57 +0200, "Heinrich"
Post by Heinrich
it is said in the newspapers here that it is not certain whether this story
is true. they are sceptical(in france)because a rabbi from paris was
recently arrested because he claimed to have been stabbed by a young north
african boy while investigations revealed he did it himself so he was trying
to cause trouble against the muslim in france.
I remember the story about the Rabbi.

Le Monde says that a couple did react but they have no record of who
they were and it was after the attack but Le Parisien states that two
witnesses have come forward and been interviewed by the authorities.

http://www.lemonde.fr/web/article/0,1-***@2-3226,36-372346,0.html
http://www.leparisien.fr/home/info/faitjour/article.htm?articleid=241083902
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Heinrich
2004-07-12 17:11:25 UTC
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Post by Daniel Bernard
On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:02:57 +0200, "Heinrich"
Post by Heinrich
it is said in the newspapers here that it is not certain whether this story
is true. they are sceptical(in france)because a rabbi from paris was
recently arrested because he claimed to have been stabbed by a young north
african boy while investigations revealed he did it himself so he was trying
to cause trouble against the muslim in france.
I remember the story about the Rabbi.
you see what people are up to to get it their way.
Post by Daniel Bernard
Le Monde says that a couple did react but they have no record of who
they were and it was after the attack but Le Parisien states that two
witnesses have come forward and been interviewed by the authorities.
i do believe that at least some did react but that in the chaos resulting
from the attack they disappeared.




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Jim E
2004-07-13 03:41:02 UTC
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Post by Paul Abeles
Post by Tilly
French politicians have reacted with horror to an anti-Semitic attack on a
woman and her baby on a train.
A gang of young men cut her hair, slashed her clothes and drew swastikas
on
Post by Tilly
her body, before overturning the pram in which her infant was lying.
Other passengers failed to intervene as the six men attacked the woman,
whom
Post by Tilly
they accused of being Jewish.
A closer examination of the attack shows it wasnt motivated by
antisemitism.
Post by Paul Abeles
It was only after they attacked her did they discover her address and
thought she may have been Jewish.
If the Jewish bit wasnt mentioned the attack probably wouldn't have made the
news.
So it wasn't an anti Semitic attack because they didn't mark her body with
swastikas until after they knew she was Jewish.
You are too stupid to breathe without help.



Jim E
Tilly
2004-07-13 05:38:05 UTC
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Post by Paul Abeles
If the Jewish bit wasnt mentioned the attack probably wouldn't have
made the news.
WRONG.

All of the TV newscasts (including the BBC) have said she was attacked
because they thought she looked Jewish.
Get your facts right before opening your stupid mouth.

Tilly

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Daniel Bernard
2004-07-13 05:56:33 UTC
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Post by Tilly
Post by Paul Abeles
If the Jewish bit wasnt mentioned the attack probably wouldn't have
made the news.
WRONG.
All of the TV newscasts (including the BBC) have said she was attacked
because they thought she looked Jewish.
Get your facts right before opening your stupid mouth.
Tilly
That is the first time I have heard anyone say that. Every single
report has stated that she was attacked first and only labeled Jewish
once her bag was emptied and her ID card was found yet you have seen a
newscast - actually many newscasts by the sound of things - that says
otherwise.

Lets take a gander at the Beeb Web site shall we?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3884983.stm

Surrounded

The 23-year-old woman was on a train just north of Paris on
Friday morning, with her 13-month-old baby.

Six men - described by French media as of North African
appearance - surrounded her and rifled through her bag.

According to police, they found papers referring to the
wealthy 16th district of the capital, and said: "There are
only Jews in the 16th."

Police said the woman was not Jewish and no longer lived in
the district.

The attackers reportedly shoved the woman, used a knife to cut
her hair and her shirt open, and drew swastikas on her stomach
with a marker pen.

The baby was apparently tipped out of its pram in the melee.

Now, that is taken directly from the Beeb report. Unless the BBC web
site says one thing and their TV says something else, where does it
say that she was attacked simply for "looking Jewish"?

Hell, isn't this the same BBC that reported a massacre in Jenin? Now,
we all know how wrong that was, don't we? or let me guess, the BBC are
sending special reports directly to your TV to promote anti-Semitism
huh?

Let us take a look at CNN.

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/07/12/france.attack.ap/index.html

A 23-year-old mother told police that she was robbed by a
knife-wielding gang of six young men while riding a train with
her infant on Friday morning, then mistreated after being
mistaken for a Jew. None of some 20 witnesses came to her
rescue, she told police.

Note the use of the word "after" as in she was abused for "looking
Jewish" as you say "after" they took her bag. I hope you actually
follow that link, because it states that the police have some doubts
about the attack. Now, while I hope that this is correct and that this
event did not take place, will you retract your statements if it is
proved that the attack was false?
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people?
Heinrich
2004-07-13 06:06:41 UTC
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Post by Daniel Bernard
Post by Tilly
Post by Paul Abeles
If the Jewish bit wasnt mentioned the attack probably wouldn't have
made the news.
WRONG.
All of the TV newscasts (including the BBC) have said she was attacked
because they thought she looked Jewish.
Get your facts right before opening your stupid mouth.
Tilly
That is the first time I have heard anyone say that. Every single
report has stated that she was attacked first and only labeled Jewish
once her bag was emptied and her ID card was found yet you have seen a
newscast - actually many newscasts by the sound of things - that says
otherwise.
Lets take a gander at the Beeb Web site shall we?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3884983.stm
Surrounded
The 23-year-old woman was on a train just north of Paris on
Friday morning, with her 13-month-old baby.
Six men - described by French media as of North African
appearance - surrounded her and rifled through her bag.
According to police, they found papers referring to the
wealthy 16th district of the capital, and said: "There are
only Jews in the 16th."
Police said the woman was not Jewish and no longer lived in
the district.
The attackers reportedly shoved the woman, used a knife to cut
her hair and her shirt open, and drew swastikas on her stomach
with a marker pen.
The baby was apparently tipped out of its pram in the melee.
Now, that is taken directly from the Beeb report. Unless the BBC web
site says one thing and their TV says something else, where does it
say that she was attacked simply for "looking Jewish"?
Hell, isn't this the same BBC that reported a massacre in Jenin? Now,
we all know how wrong that was, don't we? or let me guess, the BBC are
sending special reports directly to your TV to promote anti-Semitism
huh?
Let us take a look at CNN.
http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/07/12/france.attack.ap/index.html
A 23-year-old mother told police that she was robbed by a
knife-wielding gang of six young men while riding a train with
her infant on Friday morning, then mistreated after being
mistaken for a Jew. None of some 20 witnesses came to her
rescue, she told police.
Note the use of the word "after" as in she was abused for "looking
Jewish" as you say "after" they took her bag. I hope you actually
follow that link, because it states that the police have some doubts
about the attack. Now, while I hope that this is correct and that this
event did not take place, will you retract your statements if it is
proved that the attack was false?
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Why should the world be in danger of World War III because of those
people?
allow me to add the following±
French police voice doubts over mother and baby attack

PARIS, July 12 (AFP) - Doubts arose late Monday over an alleged
anti-Semitic attack on a young mother and her baby on a Paris suburban
train, an incident that drew fierce condemnation from politicians, civil
rights groups and Jewish associations.

President Jacques Chirac added racism to a list of crimes excluded
under his annual Bastille Day clemency given to prisoners after the alleged
assault in which the women said a gang of six youths had cut her clothes and
drawn swastikas on her body after mistaking her for a Jew.

The national newspapers gave it front-page prominence under such
headlines as "The Train of Hate" and "Vile and Stupid."

But police sources told AFP that they were puzzled by "contradictions"
that had emerged since the incident Friday and the lack of confirming
evidence.

The 23-year-old woman, identified by the press only as Marie L. said
the alleged attackers had believed her to be Jewish because her old identity
card gave her address in Paris' fashionable 16th district, and had tipped
over her baby carriage with her 13-month-old child.
Tilly
2004-07-14 12:36:37 UTC
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Post by Daniel Bernard
That is the first time I have heard anyone say that. Every single
report has stated that she was attacked first and only labeled Jewish
once her bag was emptied and her ID card was found yet you have seen a
newscast - actually many newscasts by the sound of things - that says
otherwise.
Here is the intial BBC website report Daniel:

French politicians have reacted with horror to an anti-Semitic attack on a
woman and her baby on a train.
A gang of young men cut her hair, slashed her clothes and drew swastikas on
her body, before overturning the pram in which her infant was lying.

Other passengers failed to intervene as the six men attacked the woman, whom
they accused of being Jewish...........

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3884983.stm


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Daniel Bernard
2004-07-14 12:46:12 UTC
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Post by Tilly
Post by Daniel Bernard
That is the first time I have heard anyone say that. Every single
report has stated that she was attacked first and only labeled Jewish
once her bag was emptied and her ID card was found yet you have seen a
newscast - actually many newscasts by the sound of things - that says
otherwise.
French politicians have reacted with horror to an anti-Semitic attack on a
woman and her baby on a train.
A gang of young men cut her hair, slashed her clothes and drew swastikas on
her body, before overturning the pram in which her infant was lying.
Other passengers failed to intervene as the six men attacked the woman, whom
they accused of being Jewish...........
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3884983.stm
Tilly
That pretty much looks like the one I read, but again it states
further into the report that they only accused her of being Jewish
after rifling through her bag, not before as you said.
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Daniel
Roberta Hatch
2004-07-14 13:20:15 UTC
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Post by Daniel Bernard
Post by Tilly
Post by Daniel Bernard
That is the first time I have heard anyone say that. Every single
report has stated that she was attacked first and only labeled Jewish
once her bag was emptied and her ID card was found yet you have seen a
newscast - actually many newscasts by the sound of things - that says
otherwise.
French politicians have reacted with horror to an anti-Semitic attack on a
woman and her baby on a train.
A gang of young men cut her hair, slashed her clothes and drew swastikas on
her body, before overturning the pram in which her infant was lying.
Other passengers failed to intervene as the six men attacked the woman, whom
they accused of being Jewish...........
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3884983.stm
That pretty much looks like the one I read, but again it states
further into the report that they only accused her of being Jewish
after rifling through her bag, not before as you said.
Correct. They went through her backpack, found her identification
papers, saw that disctrict she was from and then proclaimed that she
must be Jewish.

Tilly didn't want to include that bit because, well, it'd make
her look like a liar.

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Tilly
2004-07-14 13:25:06 UTC
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Post by Roberta Hatch
Tilly didn't want to include that bit because, well, it'd make
her look like a liar.
You silly broad that's quite a leap.
Had the story been true anyone with half a brain would have asked why was
she singled out in the first pace.
Do you need reminding plenty of women have been bashed because they look
like dykes?

Tilly

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Roberta Hatch
2004-07-14 13:41:36 UTC
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Post by Tilly
Post by Roberta Hatch
Tilly didn't want to include that bit because, well, it'd make
her look like a liar.
You silly broad that's quite a leap.
It is?! If it's "quite a leap" why did you delete the
part of the story where they were alleged to have determined
that she was Jewish *after* going through her backpack?
Post by Tilly
Had the story been true anyone with half a brain would have asked why was
she singled out in the first pace.
Any perosn with at least half a brain could figure out that
people are singled out by muggers because they look like easy
pickings. Or did you also decide not to read that they were alleged
to be robbing her?

You were caught, red-handed, making things up. If *you*
had at least a half brain, you'd clam up and cut your losses.

Bobbi

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Daniel Bernard
2004-07-14 13:53:32 UTC
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Post by Tilly
Post by Roberta Hatch
Tilly didn't want to include that bit because, well, it'd make
her look like a liar.
You silly broad that's quite a leap.
Had the story been true anyone with half a brain would have asked why was
she singled out in the first pace.
An easy target. Sorry but let's the honest, if we were walking down
the same street anywhere in the world, you would stand a far greater
risk of being mugged than I would.
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Heinrich
2004-07-14 14:03:19 UTC
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Post by Tilly
Post by Roberta Hatch
Tilly didn't want to include that bit because, well, it'd make
her look like a liar.
You silly broad that's quite a leap.
Had the story been true anyone with half a brain would have asked why was
she singled out in the first pace.
Do you need reminding plenty of women have been bashed because they look
like dykes?
giving such a reply makes you a real loser tilly
Tilly
2004-07-15 11:16:00 UTC
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Post by Heinrich
Post by Tilly
Post by Roberta Hatch
Tilly didn't want to include that bit because, well, it'd make
her look like a liar.
You silly broad that's quite a leap.
Had the story been true anyone with half a brain would have asked
why was she singled out in the first pace.
Do you need reminding plenty of women have been bashed because they
look like dykes?
giving such a reply makes you a real loser tilly
No it isn't since she is a dyke and is quite open about it.

Look at her sig.

'Dykes on bikes'.

The fact is that some idiots go around bashing people who are gay. It's as
pathetic as 'nigger bashing' or 'Jew bashing'.

Tilly




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Heinrich
2004-07-15 12:16:14 UTC
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Post by Tilly
Post by Heinrich
Post by Tilly
Post by Roberta Hatch
Tilly didn't want to include that bit because, well, it'd make
her look like a liar.
You silly broad that's quite a leap.
Had the story been true anyone with half a brain would have asked
why was she singled out in the first pace.
Do you need reminding plenty of women have been bashed because they
look like dykes?
giving such a reply makes you a real loser tilly
No it isn't since she is a dyke and is quite open about it.
dikes, dykes , she probably rides a dyker's bike . the coming out is good
because many nations have still problems with it.
Paul Abeles
2004-07-15 13:21:19 UTC
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Post by Tilly
Post by Heinrich
Post by Tilly
Post by Roberta Hatch
Tilly didn't want to include that bit because, well, it'd make
her look like a liar.
You silly broad that's quite a leap.
Had the story been true anyone with half a brain would have asked
why was she singled out in the first pace.
Do you need reminding plenty of women have been bashed because they
look like dykes?
giving such a reply makes you a real loser tilly
No it isn't since she is a dyke and is quite open about it.
Look at her sig.
'Dykes on bikes'.
The fact is that some idiots go around bashing people who are gay. It's as
pathetic as 'nigger bashing' or 'Jew bashing'.
Tilly
And brit and aussie and french bashing
Yechidah
2004-07-15 14:35:15 UTC
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Post by Paul Abeles
Post by Tilly
Post by Heinrich
Post by Tilly
Post by Roberta Hatch
Tilly didn't want to include that bit because, well, it'd make
her look like a liar.
You silly broad that's quite a leap.
Had the story been true anyone with half a brain would have asked
why was she singled out in the first pace.
Do you need reminding plenty of women have been bashed because they
look like dykes?
giving such a reply makes you a real loser tilly
No it isn't since she is a dyke and is quite open about it.
Look at her sig.
'Dykes on bikes'.
The fact is that some idiots go around bashing people who are gay. It's as
pathetic as 'nigger bashing' or 'Jew bashing'.
Tilly
And brit and aussie and french bashing
Bashing goyim is fine. Hashem approves.

Am Villiamsboig Chai,
YS
Paul Abeles
2004-07-21 06:54:29 UTC
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Post by Yechidah
Post by Paul Abeles
Post by Tilly
Post by Heinrich
Post by Tilly
Post by Roberta Hatch
Tilly didn't want to include that bit because, well, it'd make
her look like a liar.
You silly broad that's quite a leap.
Had the story been true anyone with half a brain would have asked
why was she singled out in the first pace.
Do you need reminding plenty of women have been bashed because they
look like dykes?
giving such a reply makes you a real loser tilly
No it isn't since she is a dyke and is quite open about it.
Look at her sig.
'Dykes on bikes'.
The fact is that some idiots go around bashing people who are gay. It's as
pathetic as 'nigger bashing' or 'Jew bashing'.
Tilly
And brit and aussie and french bashing
Bashing goyim is fine. Hashem approves.
Am Villiamsboig Chai,
YS
You moron there are lots of British aussie and French Jews.
Comet
2004-07-21 17:36:50 UTC
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Post by Paul Abeles
You moron there are lots of British aussie and French Jews.
Jews are an ethnic group. They are not just a religion. If a Jew
becomes
a Christian or an atheist he still says he is a Jew. Most of the Jews
in the
Jew country are atheist. They say that a Jew is anyone that has a
Jewish
mother. Therefore it is an heriditary thing.

We are for having a nation of White people. Jews would be White enough
to join us if it weren't for other important factors. One factor is
that they don't want our race to live. They want to be the only
Caucasions
to survive on the earth.

The Jews have their own Jew country, but they demand multi-culture and
pluralism for us.
Their leaders agree with
something Hitler wrote:

"A State which, in an epoch of racial adulteration, devotes itself to
the duty of preserving the best elements of its racial stock must one
day
become ruler of the Earth."


Jews are enemies of White civilization. Here are some quotes
from a very pro-Jewish book that was first published in 1925. The book
is "Stranger than Fiction" by Lewis Browne.

"But save for such exceptions, the Jews who led or participated
in the heroic efforts to remold the world of the last century, were
neither Reform or Orthodox. Indeed, they were often not professing
Jews at all.
"For instance, there was Heinrich Heine and Ludwig Borne, both
unfaltering champions of freedom. And even more conspicuously, there
was Karl Marx, one of the great prophetic geniuses of modern times.
"Jewish historians rarely mention the name of this man, Karl
Marx, though in his life and spirit he was far truer to the mission of
Israel than most of those who were forever talking of it. He was born
in Germany in 1818, and belonged to an old rabbinic family. He was not
himself reared as a Jew, however, but while still a child was baptized
a Christian by his father. Yet the rebel soul of the Jew flamed in him
thoughout his days, for he was always a 'troubler' in Europe."


"Then, of course, there are Ludwig Borne and Heinrich Heine, two
men who by their merciless wit and sarcasm became leaders among the
revolutionary writers. Karl Marx, Ferdinand Lassalle, Johann Jacoby,
Gabriel Riesser, Adolphe Cremieux, Signora Nathan- all these of Jewish
lineage played important roles in the struggle that went thoughout
Europe in this period. Wherever the war for human liberty was being
waged, whether in France, Germany, Austria, Hungary, or Italy, there
the Jew was to be found. It was little wonder that the enemies of
social progress, the monarchists and the Churchmen, came to speak of
the whole liberal movement as nothing but a Jewish plot."


"The Jews had become the money lenders of Europe for quite
evident reasons. The Church sternly forbade all Christians to engage
in the persuit...
"So the Jews became the money lenders of Europe. They developed
a great shrewdness and cunning in the one and only field of
opportunity left open to them. And with their shrewdness and cunning
they developed a certain cruelty and greed. That was natural. The
world was cruel to them, so when the chance was theirs, they were
cruel in return..."


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YSarai
2004-07-22 04:47:12 UTC
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Post by Yechidah
Post by Paul Abeles
Post by Tilly
Post by Heinrich
Post by Tilly
Post by Roberta Hatch
Tilly didn't want to include that bit because, well, it'd make
her look like a liar.
You silly broad that's quite a leap.
Had the story been true anyone with half a brain would have asked
why was she singled out in the first pace.
Do you need reminding plenty of women have been bashed because they
look like dykes?
giving such a reply makes you a real loser tilly
No it isn't since she is a dyke and is quite open about it.
Look at her sig.
'Dykes on bikes'.
The fact is that some idiots go around bashing people who are gay. It's
as
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Post by Paul Abeles
Post by Tilly
pathetic as 'nigger bashing' or 'Jew bashing'.
Tilly
And brit and aussie and french bashing
Bashing goyim is fine. Hashem approves.
Am Villiamsboig Chai,
YS
You moron there are lots of British aussie and French Jews.
Of course there are, mamzer. But if any of them get bashed, it's
primarily Jew-bashing not British/Aussie/French bashing. Antisemitism
always comes first.
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2004-07-23 07:22:38 UTC
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Post by Heinrich
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Tilly didn't want to include that bit because, well, it'd make
her look like a liar.
You silly broad that's quite a leap.
Had the story been true anyone with half a brain would have asked
why was she singled out in the first pace.
Do you need reminding plenty of women have been bashed because they
look like dykes?
giving such a reply makes you a real loser tilly
No it isn't since she is a dyke and is quite open about it.
Look at her sig.
'Dykes on bikes'.
The fact is that some idiots go around bashing people who are gay. It's
as
Post by Yechidah
Post by Paul Abeles
Post by Tilly
pathetic as 'nigger bashing' or 'Jew bashing'.
Tilly
And brit and aussie and french bashing
Bashing goyim is fine. Hashem approves.
Am Villiamsboig Chai,
YS
You moron there are lots of British aussie and French Jews.
Of course there are, mamzer. But if any of them get bashed, it's
primarily Jew-bashing not British/Aussie/French bashing. Antisemitism
always comes first.
Do you look Jewish, ignoramus?
YSarai
2004-07-23 12:41:06 UTC
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Post by Paul Abeles
Post by YSarai
Post by Paul Abeles
Post by Yechidah
Post by Paul Abeles
Post by Tilly
Post by Heinrich
Post by Tilly
Post by Roberta Hatch
Tilly didn't want to include that bit because, well, it'd make
her look like a liar.
You silly broad that's quite a leap.
Had the story been true anyone with half a brain would have asked
why was she singled out in the first pace.
Do you need reminding plenty of women have been bashed because
they
Post by YSarai
Post by Paul Abeles
Post by Yechidah
Post by Paul Abeles
Post by Tilly
Post by Heinrich
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look like dykes?
giving such a reply makes you a real loser tilly
No it isn't since she is a dyke and is quite open about it.
Look at her sig.
'Dykes on bikes'.
The fact is that some idiots go around bashing people who are gay.
It's
Post by YSarai
Post by Paul Abeles
as
Post by Yechidah
Post by Paul Abeles
Post by Tilly
pathetic as 'nigger bashing' or 'Jew bashing'.
Tilly
And brit and aussie and french bashing
Bashing goyim is fine. Hashem approves.
Am Villiamsboig Chai,
YS
You moron there are lots of British aussie and French Jews.
Of course there are, mamzer. But if any of them get bashed, it's
primarily Jew-bashing not British/Aussie/French bashing. Antisemitism
always comes first.
Do you look Jewish, ignoramus?
Does Barbra Streisand look Jewish? Does Henry Kissinger or Madeleine
Albright look Jewish? Of course they do, and so do I, mamzer. All
real Jews (and by that I mean born Jews) look Jewish.

BTW I know you're the one posting as "Frederick Shorts" out of
Australia. Your ISP has been notified.
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2004-07-24 05:49:40 UTC
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BTW I know you're the one posting as "Frederick Shorts" out of
Australia. Your ISP has been notified.
Time for your medication, goy.
YSarai
2004-07-25 04:39:34 UTC
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Post by YSarai
BTW I know you're the one posting as "Frederick Shorts" out of
Australia. Your ISP has been notified.
Time for your medication, goy.
Blow it out your ass, mamzer. You've been outed.
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Heinrich
2004-07-14 14:02:48 UTC
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Post by Daniel Bernard
That is the first time I have heard anyone say that. Every single
report has stated that she was attacked first and only labeled Jewish
once her bag was emptied and her ID card was found yet you have seen a
newscast - actually many newscasts by the sound of things - that says
otherwise.
nice try but not good en ough tilly !!
Heinrich
2004-07-13 06:05:34 UTC
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Post by Tilly
Post by Paul Abeles
If the Jewish bit wasnt mentioned the attack probably wouldn't have
made the news.
WRONG.
All of the TV newscasts (including the BBC) have said she was attacked
because they thought she looked Jewish.
Get your facts right before opening your stupid mouth.
bullshit from new zealand as usual
Jewish Leadership
2004-07-13 08:47:18 UTC
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Post by Tilly
Post by Paul Abeles
If the Jewish bit wasnt mentioned the attack probably wouldn't have
made the news.
WRONG.
All of the TV newscasts (including the BBC) have said she was attacked
because they thought she looked Jewish.
Get your facts right before opening your stupid mouth.
Tilly
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your brain, Reformed one. Withdraw to Ersatz Yisroel before it's too
late. Remember - Hashem will only protect you if you follow his laws.

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YS
Heinrich
2004-07-13 14:50:54 UTC
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Post by Jewish Leadership
Post by Tilly
Post by Paul Abeles
If the Jewish bit wasnt mentioned the attack probably wouldn't have
made the news.
WRONG.
All of the TV newscasts (including the BBC) have said she was attacked
because they thought she looked Jewish.
Get your facts right before opening your stupid mouth.
Tilly
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Too much dialog with the demon anti-semites has eroded what's left of
your brain, Reformed one. Withdraw to Ersatz Yisroel before it's too
late. Remember - Hashem will only protect you if you follow his laws.
Am Villiamsboig Chai,
YS
growing onions is booming business there.
Paul Abeles
2004-07-13 12:09:53 UTC
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Post by Tilly
Post by Paul Abeles
If the Jewish bit wasnt mentioned the attack probably wouldn't have
made the news.
WRONG.
All of the TV newscasts (including the BBC) have said she was attacked
because they thought she looked Jewish.
Get your facts right before opening your stupid mouth.
Tilly
You bigoted bitch. You cant substantiate that.
Daniel Bernard
2004-07-13 13:15:09 UTC
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Post by Paul Abeles
Post by Tilly
Post by Paul Abeles
If the Jewish bit wasnt mentioned the attack probably wouldn't have
made the news.
WRONG.
All of the TV newscasts (including the BBC) have said she was attacked
because they thought she looked Jewish.
Get your facts right before opening your stupid mouth.
Tilly
You bigoted bitch. You cant substantiate that.
Mr Abeles, I refer you to my post in this particular branch of the
thread. Like I said, unless she has a special Beeb feed into her TV
that dispenses misinformation, there is no record of any news channel
claiming the woman was initially attacked because she "looked Jewish"
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Heinrich
2004-07-13 14:52:09 UTC
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Post by Daniel Bernard
Post by Paul Abeles
Post by Tilly
Post by Paul Abeles
If the Jewish bit wasnt mentioned the attack probably wouldn't have
made the news.
WRONG.
All of the TV newscasts (including the BBC) have said she was attacked
because they thought she looked Jewish.
Get your facts right before opening your stupid mouth.
Tilly
You bigoted bitch. You cant substantiate that.
Mr Abeles, I refer you to my post in this particular branch of the
thread. Like I said, unless she has a special Beeb feed into her TV
that dispenses misinformation, there is no record of any news channel
claiming the woman was initially attacked because she "looked Jewish"
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Tilly
2004-07-14 05:02:04 UTC
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Post by Daniel Bernard
Mr Abeles, I refer you to my post in this particular branch of the
thread. Like I said, unless she has a special Beeb feed into her TV
that dispenses misinformation, there is no record of any news channel
claiming the woman was initially attacked because she "looked Jewish"
WRONG.

I was watching BBC World as the story broke early in the morning (NZ
time)....and the intial reports on all channels, was that she was attacked
because she looked Jewish.I channel surfed to the various news channels and
all their reports were similar.
They may have changed it after that-I didn't watch TV for a couple of days
after.

Tilly
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Daniel Bernard
2004-07-14 05:33:20 UTC
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Post by Tilly
Post by Daniel Bernard
Mr Abeles, I refer you to my post in this particular branch of the
thread. Like I said, unless she has a special Beeb feed into her TV
that dispenses misinformation, there is no record of any news channel
claiming the woman was initially attacked because she "looked Jewish"
WRONG.
I was watching BBC World as the story broke early in the morning (NZ
time)....and the intial reports on all channels, was that she was attacked
because she looked Jewish.I channel surfed to the various news channels and
all their reports were similar.
They may have changed it after that-I didn't watch TV for a couple of days
after.
And you had no access to the news whatsoever during that time? No
internet, radio or newspapers? No way whatsoever to follow up the
story? Not even a WAP enabled mobile phone? For someone who is usually
so on the ball, I find it odd that you would make a post about 24
hours ago without checking if the story had moved on.

Like I said, I had not seen any claim that she was attacked because
she "looked Jewish" or that the passengers sat by simply because they
thought she was Jewish (as other people have claimed). Even the
initial reports that I read in French did not make that claim.

Well, the bottom line is that she wasn't attacked at all.

Happy Bastille Day.

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Heinrich
2004-07-14 06:35:03 UTC
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Post by Daniel Bernard
Post by Tilly
Post by Daniel Bernard
Mr Abeles, I refer you to my post in this particular branch of the
thread. Like I said, unless she has a special Beeb feed into her TV
that dispenses misinformation, there is no record of any news channel
claiming the woman was initially attacked because she "looked Jewish"
WRONG.
I was watching BBC World as the story broke early in the morning (NZ
time)....and the intial reports on all channels, was that she was attacked
because she looked Jewish.I channel surfed to the various news channels and
all their reports were similar.
They may have changed it after that-I didn't watch TV for a couple of days
after.
And you had no access to the news whatsoever during that time? No
internet, radio or newspapers? No way whatsoever to follow up the
story? Not even a WAP enabled mobile phone? For someone who is usually
so on the ball, I find it odd that you would make a post about 24
hours ago without checking if the story had moved on.
Like I said, I had not seen any claim that she was attacked because
she "looked Jewish" or that the passengers sat by simply because they
thought she was Jewish (as other people have claimed). Even the
initial reports that I read in French did not make that claim.
Well, the bottom line is that she wasn't attacked at all.
Happy Bastille Day.
and it remained very quite on the western, eastern, southern front.
Tilly
2004-07-14 11:10:21 UTC
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And you had no access to the news whatsoever during that time?
I didn't want access to the news.It's called 'getting away from it all'.
I do that sometimes.In addition I has overseas friends visiting.



No
Post by Daniel Bernard
internet, radio or newspapers?
No....

No way whatsoever to follow up the
Post by Daniel Bernard
story? Not even a WAP enabled mobile phone?
Ever used a mobile after it's dropped into water? I switch mine off
sometimes anyway because i don't want the phone ringing constantly .I
actually prefer to give my attention to the people I am with.

For someone who is usually
Post by Daniel Bernard
so on the ball, I find it odd that you would make a post about 24
hours ago without checking if the story had moved on.
C'est la vie.
Post by Daniel Bernard
Like I said, I had not seen any claim that she was attacked because
she "looked Jewish" or that the passengers sat by simply because they
thought she was Jewish (as other people have claimed). Even the
initial reports that I read in French did not make that claim.
Well, the bottom line is that she wasn't attacked at all.
That has been established ? I thought they were still investigating.
Post by Daniel Bernard
Happy Bastille Day.
Didn't even realise it was today.

Tilly

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2004-07-14 12:04:24 UTC
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Post by Daniel Bernard
Well, the bottom line is that she wasn't attacked at all.
That has been established ? I thought they were still investigating.
Yes. She confessed yesterday and they are now thinking of charging
her. She is looking at 6 months in prison and a 7,500 Euro fine.

Personally I hope she gets the medical attention she needs.
Post by Tilly
Post by Daniel Bernard
Happy Bastille Day.
Didn't even realise it was today.
Most people wouldn't.
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Heinrich
2004-07-14 06:33:46 UTC
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Post by Tilly
Post by Daniel Bernard
Mr Abeles, I refer you to my post in this particular branch of the
thread. Like I said, unless she has a special Beeb feed into her TV
that dispenses misinformation, there is no record of any news channel
claiming the woman was initially attacked because she "looked Jewish"
WRONG.
I was watching BBC World as the story broke early in the morning (NZ
time)....and the intial reports on all channels, was that she was attacked
because she looked Jewish.I channel surfed to the various news channels and
all their reports were similar.
They may have changed it after that-I didn't watch TV for a couple of days
after.
pavlov and pavlov like a bunch of idiots they stumbled over each other to
show their unfounded disgust and to be the first to bring the news.
Paul Abeles
2004-07-14 06:40:45 UTC
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Post by Tilly
Post by Daniel Bernard
Mr Abeles, I refer you to my post in this particular branch of the
thread. Like I said, unless she has a special Beeb feed into her TV
that dispenses misinformation, there is no record of any news channel
claiming the woman was initially attacked because she "looked Jewish"
WRONG.
I was watching BBC World as the story broke early in the morning (NZ
time)....and the intial reports on all channels, was that she was attacked
because she looked Jewish.I channel surfed to the various news channels and
all their reports were similar.
They may have changed it after that-I didn't watch TV for a couple of days
after.
Tilly
The cheque is in the mail
Black is beautiful
I promise I wont ... in your mouth.
Daniel Bernard
2004-07-14 06:49:26 UTC
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Post by Paul Abeles
Post by Tilly
Post by Daniel Bernard
Mr Abeles, I refer you to my post in this particular branch of the
thread. Like I said, unless she has a special Beeb feed into her TV
that dispenses misinformation, there is no record of any news channel
claiming the woman was initially attacked because she "looked Jewish"
WRONG.
I was watching BBC World as the story broke early in the morning (NZ
time)....and the intial reports on all channels, was that she was attacked
because she looked Jewish.I channel surfed to the various news channels
and
Post by Tilly
all their reports were similar.
They may have changed it after that-I didn't watch TV for a couple of days
after.
Tilly
The cheque is in the mail
Black is beautiful
I promise I wont ... in your mouth.
ROFLMAO

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Heinrich
2004-07-14 08:38:09 UTC
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Post by Paul Abeles
Post by Tilly
Post by Daniel Bernard
Mr Abeles, I refer you to my post in this particular branch of the
thread. Like I said, unless she has a special Beeb feed into her TV
that dispenses misinformation, there is no record of any news channel
claiming the woman was initially attacked because she "looked Jewish"
WRONG.
I was watching BBC World as the story broke early in the morning (NZ
time)....and the intial reports on all channels, was that she was attacked
because she looked Jewish.I channel surfed to the various news channels
and
Post by Tilly
all their reports were similar.
They may have changed it after that-I didn't watch TV for a couple of days
after.
Tilly
The cheque is in the mail
Black is beautiful
I promise I wont ... in your mouth.
excellent hahahaha.
Daniel Bernard
2004-07-14 10:29:34 UTC
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Post by Paul Abeles
The cheque is in the mail
Black is beautiful
I promise I wont ... in your mouth.
I did not have sexual relations with that woman
Yes, of course I'll still respect you in the morning
No, you bum does not look big in that dress
No, I don't fancy your sister/best friend etc
What officer? Over the limit? I've only had 2 pints of shandy
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2004-07-14 10:44:44 UTC
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Post by Paul Abeles
The cheque is in the mail
Black is beautiful
I promise I wont ... in your mouth.
I did not have sexual relations with that woman
Yes, of course I'll still respect you in the morning
No, you bum does not look big in that dress
No, I don't fancy your sister/best friend etc
What officer? Over the limit? I've only had 2 pints of shandy
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thanks god he did not say± ich bin ein Berliner
Tilly
2004-07-14 11:13:49 UTC
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The cheque is in the mail
Go to your local brothel Abeles. I have standards.

Tilly


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2004-07-14 11:17:33 UTC
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Post by Paul Abeles
The cheque is in the mail
Black is beautiful
I know , my daughters boyfriend is black.
You aren't even quarter of the man he is.
Post by Paul Abeles
I promise I wont ... in your mouth.
You wouldn't get the chance. Your appendage would be bitten off before you
got the chance.

Tilly


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2004-07-14 11:57:55 UTC
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Post by Tilly
Post by Paul Abeles
The cheque is in the mail
Black is beautiful
I know , my daughters boyfriend is black.
You aren't even quarter of the man he is.
Post by Paul Abeles
I promise I wont ... in your mouth.
You wouldn't get the chance. Your appendage would be bitten off before you
got the chance.
Tilly
I don't fuck ugly old anorexic bags.
Paul Abeles
2004-07-13 12:28:15 UTC
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Post by Tilly
Post by Paul Abeles
If the Jewish bit wasnt mentioned the attack probably wouldn't have
made the news.
WRONG.
All of the TV newscasts (including the BBC) have said she was attacked
because they thought she looked Jewish.
Get your facts right before opening your stupid mouth.
Tilly
Last week's highly publicized antisemitic incident on a Paris commuter train
sparked government condemnation and demonstrations. However, according to
newly-published reports, the story may have been invented.

According to last night's report on French TV channel LCI, police became
suspicious after finding no witnesses to the incident and discovering that
the woman had registered at least six previous complaints of harassment. The
head of the professional union of French police also pointed to
contradictions in the woman's testimony.

http://www.maarivintl.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=article&articleID=9713
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2004-07-12 13:29:34 UTC
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it is being in doubt whether this is true. the french police have arrested a
rabbi from paris who claimed to have been stabbed by a young north african
boy whereas investigations revealed he has stabbed himself.





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2004-07-12 20:20:32 UTC
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it is being in doubt whether this is true. the french police have arrested
a rabbi from paris who claimed to have been stabbed by a young north
african boy whereas investigations revealed he has stabbed himself.
It's starting to look like a hoax

PARIS, France (AP) -- Police patrolled suburban trains on Monday and studied
video from surveillance cameras, trying to track down six men who allegedly
attacked a young mother and scrawled swastikas on her stomach.

But doubts began to surface about the truth of the attack report that
stunned France.

A 23-year-old mother told police that she was robbed by a knife-wielding
gang of six young men while riding a train with her infant on Friday
morning, then mistreated after being mistaken for a Jew. None of some 20
witnesses came to her rescue, she told police.

Investigators trying to track down the culprits had almost no clues to guide
them.

Surveillance cameras at the station where the culprits reportedly left the
train showed no young men running from the scene, and no witnesses have
come forward despite repeated calls from officials and promises of
anonymity.

Both France-Info radio and the television station LCI reported that the
young woman had filed several complaints for violence and aggression in the
past. Neither provided sources, but LCI said she had filed six such
complaints in the past. That information could not be immediately
confirmed.

"It is absolutely necessary to have a certitude before speaking," said Paris
Police Chief Jean-Paul Proust, when asked about the case on France-2
television. "I have no certitude."

Despite the doubts being cast on the woman's report, officials continued to
issue statements of shock and calls to fight anti-Semitism and passiveness
by bystanders.

Deputy Minister for Victims' Rights Nicole Guedj met with the young mother,
then asked witnesses to step forward, particularly a young man said to have
been seated near the mother.

"The gesture that he was not able to make Friday, he must make today," Guedj
said.

Guedj also suggested that witnesses who failed to act at the time would not
risk being pursued for non-assistance to a person in danger, a crime in
France.

"It is difficult to go after people who feel themselves to be in danger,"
she said.

France was stunned by news of the attack, which emerged over the weekend.
The brutality of the aggression, its anti-Semitic character and the fact
that no one came to the mother's rescue raised worrisome questions.

"Anti-Semitism is shameful ... but there is also a sickness in our society,"
said Prime Minister Jean-Pierre Raffarin. "It's indifference to violence."

He called for courage among citizens, saying that "courage must be quicker
than violence."

Police, their information based on the woman's account, said that the gang,
described by the victim as between 15 and 20, allegedly grabbed the woman's
backpack, taking her money and credit cards.

When they saw that her identification card said she lived in the wealthy
16th district of Paris, they reportedly told the woman: "There are only
Jews in the 16th."

The woman told police that the men, described as North Africans and blacks,
then cut off locks of her hair, opened her shirt with their knives and used
markers to draw three swastikas on her stomach.

Guedj said the woman told her that about 20 people in the train were
"capable of seeing" what was happening.

One of the attackers held the woman by her neck, forcing her to keep her
head to the ground so that she couldn't see them, several French newspapers
quoted police as saying.

Meanwhile, the office of President Jacques Chirac said that crimes involving
racism would not be among those benefiting from the traditional Bastille
Day pardons on Wednesday.
http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/07/12/france.attack.ap/
Daniel Bernard
2004-07-12 20:29:34 UTC
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Post by Heinrich
it is being in doubt whether this is true. the french police have arrested
a rabbi from paris who claimed to have been stabbed by a young north
african boy whereas investigations revealed he has stabbed himself.
It's starting to look like a hoax
If it is a hoax, I wonder if the anti-French brigade that have been
beating this story around will retract a single one of their comments?

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Jim E
2004-07-13 03:42:41 UTC
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It's starting to look like a hoax
In your dreams , hitler youth boy.
Heinrich
2004-07-13 06:07:20 UTC
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It's starting to look like a hoax
In your dreams , hitler youth boy.
it is. donot forget the rabbi !!!! those people are up to everything to get
it their way.
Jim E
2004-07-13 14:48:23 UTC
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It's starting to look like a hoax
In your dreams , hitler youth boy.
it is. donot forget the rabbi !!!! those people are up to everything to get
it their way.
And thanks to the hatred your type generates toward it self they will have
their way.
Keep up the good work.


Jim E
Heinrich
2004-07-13 15:02:58 UTC
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It's starting to look like a hoax
In your dreams , hitler youth boy.
it is. donot forget the rabbi !!!! those people are up to everything to
get
Post by Heinrich
it their way.
And thanks to the hatred your type generates toward it self they will have
their way.
Keep up the good work.
know your history then you know your future !!!!!
Jim E
2004-07-13 15:58:02 UTC
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Post by Jim E
Post by Heinrich
Post by Jim E
Post by XC-1a4-8816
It's starting to look like a hoax
In your dreams , hitler youth boy.
it is. donot forget the rabbi !!!! those people are up to everything to
get
Post by Heinrich
it their way.
And thanks to the hatred your type generates toward it self they will have
their way.
Keep up the good work.
know your history then you know your future !!!!!
You must find that truly depressing.
Almost bunker time again, want to borrow my pistol and some gasoline??
Always willing to help a good cause.

Jim E
Heinrich
2004-07-13 16:12:01 UTC
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It's starting to look like a hoax
In your dreams , hitler youth boy.
it is. donot forget the rabbi !!!! those people are up to
everything
Post by Jim E
to
Post by Heinrich
Post by Jim E
get
Post by Heinrich
it their way.
And thanks to the hatred your type generates toward it self they will
have
Post by Heinrich
Post by Jim E
their way.
Keep up the good work.
know your history then you know your future !!!!!
You must find that truly depressing.
Almost bunker time again, want to borrow my pistol and some gasoline??
Always willing to help a good cause.
why so aggresive all of the time? your harly kaputt ?
Jim E
2004-07-13 20:33:04 UTC
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It's starting to look like a hoax
In your dreams , hitler youth boy.
it is. donot forget the rabbi !!!! those people are up to
everything
Post by Jim E
to
Post by Heinrich
Post by Jim E
get
Post by Heinrich
it their way.
And thanks to the hatred your type generates toward it self they will
have
Post by Heinrich
Post by Jim E
their way.
Keep up the good work.
know your history then you know your future !!!!!
You must find that truly depressing.
Almost bunker time again, want to borrow my pistol and some gasoline??
Always willing to help a good cause.
why so aggresive all of the time? your harly kaputt ?
Harley fine I'm kaput, appendix out last week,
Dr. said no riding for ten days.
Consequently the weather has been 80F and sunny ever since.
You'd be crabby too.


Jim E
howard aubrey
2004-07-13 21:12:46 UTC
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It's starting to look like a hoax
In your dreams , hitler youth boy.
it is. donot forget the rabbi !!!! those people are up to
everything
Post by Jim E
to
Post by Heinrich
Post by Jim E
get
Post by Heinrich
it their way.
And thanks to the hatred your type generates toward it self they
will
Post by Tilly
Post by Jim E
have
Post by Heinrich
Post by Jim E
their way.
Keep up the good work.
know your history then you know your future !!!!!
You must find that truly depressing.
Almost bunker time again, want to borrow my pistol and some gasoline??
Always willing to help a good cause.
why so aggresive all of the time? your harly kaputt ?
Harley fine I'm kaput, appendix out last week,
Dr. said no riding for ten days.
Consequently the weather has been 80F and sunny ever since.
You'd be crabby too.
Jim E
When I had my appendix taken out I took a 3 mile walk the next day
and knocked out 5 sets of 50 situps 6 days later.

I think you're a pussy as well as an ignorant bigot.

Boo Hoo...

cheers....

HJA
Jim E
2004-07-14 01:12:39 UTC
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It's starting to look like a hoax
In your dreams , hitler youth boy.
it is. donot forget the rabbi !!!! those people are up to
everything
Post by Jim E
to
Post by Heinrich
Post by Jim E
get
Post by Heinrich
it their way.
And thanks to the hatred your type generates toward it self they
will
Post by Tilly
Post by Jim E
have
Post by Heinrich
Post by Jim E
their way.
Keep up the good work.
know your history then you know your future !!!!!
You must find that truly depressing.
Almost bunker time again, want to borrow my pistol and some gasoline??
Always willing to help a good cause.
why so aggresive all of the time? your harly kaputt ?
Harley fine I'm kaput, appendix out last week,
Dr. said no riding for ten days.
Consequently the weather has been 80F and sunny ever since.
You'd be crabby too.
Jim E
When I had my appendix taken out I took a 3 mile walk the next day
and knocked out 5 sets of 50 situps 6 days later.
I think you're a pussy as well as an ignorant bigot.
Boo Hoo...
cheers....
And I think you are a liar, so.?
Norma
2004-07-14 01:54:01 UTC
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When I had my appendix taken out I took a 3 mile walk the next day
and knocked out 5 sets of 50 situps 6 days later.
I think you're a pussy as well as an ignorant bigot.
Boo Hoo...
cheers....
And I think you are a liar, so.?
Sometimes Howard like to act really macho. If he did what he said above, he
was taking a real risk, and he was lucky it didn't get to be a complicated
wound that popped open. I've seen some deaths as a result of such foolish
behaviors. Norma
howard aubrey
2004-07-14 12:19:47 UTC
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When I had my appendix taken out I took a 3 mile walk the next day
and knocked out 5 sets of 50 situps 6 days later.
I think you're a pussy as well as an ignorant bigot.
Boo Hoo...
cheers....
And I think you are a liar, so.?
Sometimes Howard like to act really macho. If he did what he said above, he
was taking a real risk, and he was lucky it didn't get to be a complicated
wound that popped open. I've seen some deaths as a result of such foolish
behaviors. Norma
The only risk from what I did was a slight chance of adhesions.
I know what they are and how they happen so there was really NO
risk. Most if not all Doctors agree that getting back into
action after surgery is the best way to start recovery.

Besides, when Doctors limit activity it is usually because of
the anesthesia and liability, not the wound.

HJA
n***@charter.net
2004-07-14 23:53:52 UTC
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Post by howard aubrey
When I had my appendix taken out I took a 3 mile walk the next day
and knocked out 5 sets of 50 situps 6 days later.
I think you're a pussy as well as an ignorant bigot.
Boo Hoo...
cheers....
And I think you are a liar, so.?
Sometimes Howard like to act really macho. If he did what he said above,
he
Post by Norma
was taking a real risk, and he was lucky it didn't get to be a complicated
wound that popped open. I've seen some deaths as a result of such foolish
behaviors. Norma
The only risk from what I did was a slight chance of adhesions.
I know what they are and how they happen so there was really NO
risk. Most if not all Doctors agree that getting back into
action after surgery is the best way to start recovery.
Besides, when Doctors limit activity it is usually because of
the anesthesia and liability, not the wound.
you risked much more than that, but you didn't realize them, so forget
it. YOu really don't want adhesions either, they often interfere with
bowel activity, cause pain, and require re-operation to release or cut
them. They also recur frequently. If you had torn the sutures in the
gut, you would have been in terrible trouble with peritonitis or
something permanent. It doesn't pay to overdo--ever!! Norma
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HJA
Jim E
2004-07-16 03:21:41 UTC
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Besides, when Doctors limit activity it is usually because of
the anesthesia and liability, not the wound.
you risked much more than that, but you didn't realize them, so forget
it. YOu really don't want adhesions either, they often interfere with
bowel activity, cause pain, and require re-operation to release or cut
them. They also recur frequently. If you had torn the sutures in the
gut, you would have been in terrible trouble with peritonitis or
something permanent. It doesn't pay to overdo--ever!! Norma
It is nice to know that Howie babes has the same level of expertise in more
than one field.
I've heard of blanket amnesty, but this is my first run in with blanket
ignorance.


Jim E
Heinrich
2004-07-14 06:37:15 UTC
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It's starting to look like a hoax
In your dreams , hitler youth boy.
it is. donot forget the rabbi !!!! those people are up to
everything
Post by Jim E
to
Post by Heinrich
Post by Jim E
get
Post by Heinrich
it their way.
And thanks to the hatred your type generates toward it self they
will
Post by Tilly
Post by Jim E
have
Post by Heinrich
Post by Jim E
their way.
Keep up the good work.
know your history then you know your future !!!!!
You must find that truly depressing.
Almost bunker time again, want to borrow my pistol and some
gasoline??
Post by howard aubrey
Post by Jim E
Post by Tilly
Post by Jim E
Always willing to help a good cause.
why so aggresive all of the time? your harly kaputt ?
Harley fine I'm kaput, appendix out last week,
Dr. said no riding for ten days.
Consequently the weather has been 80F and sunny ever since.
You'd be crabby too.
Jim E
When I had my appendix taken out I took a 3 mile walk the next day
and knocked out 5 sets of 50 situps 6 days later.
I think you're a pussy as well as an ignorant bigot.
Boo Hoo...
cheers....
And I think you are a liar, so.?
shoot him ?
Jim E
2004-07-16 03:23:01 UTC
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When I had my appendix taken out I took a 3 mile walk the next day
and knocked out 5 sets of 50 situps 6 days later.
I think you're a pussy as well as an ignorant bigot.
Boo Hoo...
cheers....
And I think you are a liar, so.?
shoot him ?
Sure, go ahead.
Heinrich
2004-07-16 07:01:13 UTC
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Post by howard aubrey
When I had my appendix taken out I took a 3 mile walk the next day
and knocked out 5 sets of 50 situps 6 days later.
I think you're a pussy as well as an ignorant bigot.
Boo Hoo...
cheers....
And I think you are a liar, so.?
shoot him ?
Sure, go ahead.
you are too kind
Tilly
2004-07-14 11:21:55 UTC
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And I think you are a liar, so.?
Actually I wouldn't count on it......when I think what I was doing within
days of having major lumbar surgery.

Tilly

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2004-07-14 12:21:38 UTC
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And I think you are a liar, so.?
Actually I wouldn't count on it......when I think what I was doing within
days of having major lumbar surgery.
Tilly
I had that also, at L4-5. I started walking as soon as I got out
of recovery. Got out in one day. Twisting is the big no-no
after back surgery, lots of internal sutures.
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2004-07-14 12:33:29 UTC
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And I think you are a liar, so.?
Actually I wouldn't count on it......when I think what I was doing
within days of having major lumbar surgery.
Tilly
I had that also, at L4-5. I started walking as soon as I got out
of recovery. Got out in one day. Twisting is the big no-no
after back surgery, lots of internal sutures.
My laminectomy was the same level.I discharged myself from hospital within a
couple of days.

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2004-07-13 21:18:16 UTC
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It's starting to look like a hoax
In your dreams , hitler youth boy.
it is. donot forget the rabbi !!!! those people are up to
everything
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to
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Post by Jim E
get
Post by Heinrich
it their way.
And thanks to the hatred your type generates toward it self they
will
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Post by Jim E
have
Post by Heinrich
Post by Jim E
their way.
Keep up the good work.
know your history then you know your future !!!!!
You must find that truly depressing.
Almost bunker time again, want to borrow my pistol and some gasoline??
Always willing to help a good cause.
why so aggresive all of the time? your harly kaputt ?
Harley fine I'm kaput, appendix out last week,
Dr. said no riding for ten days.
Consequently the weather has been 80F and sunny ever since.
You'd be crabby too.
reading this i can understand how you feel and you have therefore my
symphaty .wish you a quick recovery.





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Jim E
2004-07-14 01:14:15 UTC
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It's starting to look like a hoax
In your dreams , hitler youth boy.
it is. donot forget the rabbi !!!! those people are up to
everything
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to
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Post by Jim E
get
Post by Heinrich
it their way.
And thanks to the hatred your type generates toward it self they
will
Post by Tilly
Post by Jim E
have
Post by Heinrich
Post by Jim E
their way.
Keep up the good work.
know your history then you know your future !!!!!
You must find that truly depressing.
Almost bunker time again, want to borrow my pistol and some gasoline??
Always willing to help a good cause.
why so aggresive all of the time? your harly kaputt ?
Harley fine I'm kaput, appendix out last week,
Dr. said no riding for ten days.
Consequently the weather has been 80F and sunny ever since.
You'd be crabby too.
reading this i can understand how you feel and you have therefore my
symphaty .wish you a quick recovery.
Feeling much better, back to the old paper mill tomorrow. Arbeit macht frei.


Jim E
Heinrich
2004-07-14 06:39:12 UTC
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It's starting to look like a hoax
In your dreams , hitler youth boy.
it is. donot forget the rabbi !!!! those people are up to
everything
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to
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Post by Jim E
get
Post by Heinrich
it their way.
And thanks to the hatred your type generates toward it self they
will
Post by Tilly
Post by Jim E
have
Post by Heinrich
Post by Jim E
their way.
Keep up the good work.
know your history then you know your future !!!!!
You must find that truly depressing.
Almost bunker time again, want to borrow my pistol and some
gasoline??
Post by Heinrich
Post by Jim E
Post by Tilly
Post by Jim E
Always willing to help a good cause.
why so aggresive all of the time? your harly kaputt ?
Harley fine I'm kaput, appendix out last week,
Dr. said no riding for ten days.
Consequently the weather has been 80F and sunny ever since.
You'd be crabby too.
reading this i can understand how you feel and you have therefore my
symphaty .wish you a quick recovery.
Feeling much better, back to the old paper mill tomorrow. Arbeit macht frei.
Genau, ein gesundes Volksempfinden ueber alles nicht ?
Tilly
2004-07-14 11:39:22 UTC
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Feeling much better, back to the old paper mill tomorrow. Arbeit macht frei.
Jim E
You are pretty spot on..you know of course Heinie doesn't have much time for
N Africans and Arabs either.He wants them out of the Netherlands.

Tilly

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Paul Abeles
2004-07-14 01:50:49 UTC
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It's starting to look like a hoax
In your dreams , hitler youth boy.
it is. donot forget the rabbi !!!! those people are up to
everything
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to
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get
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it their way.
And thanks to the hatred your type generates toward it self they
will
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have
Post by Heinrich
Post by Jim E
their way.
Keep up the good work.
know your history then you know your future !!!!!
You must find that truly depressing.
Almost bunker time again, want to borrow my pistol and some gasoline??
Always willing to help a good cause.
why so aggresive all of the time? your harly kaputt ?
Harley fine I'm kaput, appendix out last week,
Sue the doctor. He removed your brain by mistake.
Tilly
2004-07-14 11:19:40 UTC
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know your history then you know your future !!!!!
I suggest you do the same.
Remember what happened to Germany and ,most of Europe last time round.

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Heinrich
2004-07-14 14:05:33 UTC
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know your history then you know your future !!!!!
I suggest you do the same.
Remember what happened to Germany and ,most of Europe last time round.
your advice is not needed
Heinrich
2004-07-13 06:41:58 UTC
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It's starting to look like a hoax
In your dreams , hitler youth boy.
RER : l'heure du doute
De source policière, on relève des contradictions dans les déclarations de
la jeune femme qui s'est dite, vendredi, victime d'une agression antisémite
dans le RER D. La mère de la "victime" aurait fait état des "troubles
psychologiques" dont souffrirait sa fille. Jean-Paul Huchon, président de la
région Ile-de-France, espère qu'il "n'y a pas de loup dans cette affaire".



L 'enquête sur l'agression à caractère antisémite vendredi 9 juillet dans le
RER D se heurtait lundi 12 à de sérieuses "contradictions" dans les
dépositions de la jeune femme alors qu'aucun témoin, même anonyme, ne
s'était manifesté trois jours après les faits.
"Depuis hier soir (dimanche) sont apparues des contradictions. Il n'y a pas
assez d'éléments probants", a affirmé le secrétaire général du syndicat
Synergie-Officiers (2ème syndicat chez les officiers de police) Bruno
Beschizza.
"Il y a des incohérences dans les déclarations (de la jeune femme)", a
précisé un autre responsable du syndicat, Frank Carabin. Il a notamment fait
état de "l'absence de témoins", et du fait que le personnel de guichets de
la SNCF, à qui la victime affirme être allée dénoncer l'agression, ne se
souvienne pas de l'affaire.
Compte tenu du peu de détails fournis par la jeune femme, qui avait déjà
déposé une demi-douzaine de plaintes classées sans suite auparavant, les
enquêteurs ont dû mal à "corroborer la matérialité des faits".
Par ailleurs, sa mère aurait déclaré aux enquêteurs que sa fille souffrait
de troubles psychologiques.
Ce que confirme un témoignage publié mardi matin par Le Figaro, dans lequel
une personne se disant "très proche" de la "victime" affirme que celle-ci
souffre de "mythomanie notoire" et ajoute : "Il n'y a pas de témoins, vous
n'en trouverez pas".

Rien sur les vidéos

Par ailleurs, alors que les agresseurs seraient descendus à la gare de
Sarcelles selon la jeune femme, l'analyse des bandes vidéos de la gare n'a
pas permis de repérer les six hommes, selon une source proche de l'enquête.
Un homme de 28 ans a en outre affirmé avoir vu la jeune femme sur le quai de
la gare de Louvres vendredi matin -où elle dit être montée dans le train
avant l'agression-, le pantalon déchiré.
"Elle pleurait, je lui ai demandé si elle voulait de l'aide, elle a refusé",
a-t-il déclaré.
Selon une source judiciaire, la jeune femme aurait déjà dit avoir fait
l'objet d'agressions.
Ces premiers doutes affichés sur l'authenticité du témoignage de la jeune
femme ont indirectement été relayés par plusieurs responsables politiques,
selon France 2.

"Pas de loup ?"

"J'espère qu'il n'y a pas de loup sur cette affaire", a ainsi glissé le
président (PS) du conseil régional Ile-de-France Jean-Paul Huchon à Nicole
Guedj, secrétaire d'Etat aux Droits de la victime, dans un aparté saisi et
diffusé par la chaîne publique.
Même prudence de la part du député et ancien ministre de l'Economie
Dominique Strauss-Kahn (PS): "Si c'est un coup monté, évidemment, ce serait
critiquable en tant que coup monté (...) Mais ça ne changerait rien au fait
que c'est la dixième ou la vingtième agression de ce genre".
Mme Guedj, qui a reçu la jeune femme pendant plus d'une heure lundi matin,
avait appelé un témoin présumé des faits à se manifester.
Elle a également appelé à témoigner un couple qui a aidé la jeune femme à
descendre du RER, et qui ne s'est pas non plus manifesté à ce jour.

"Difficile de poursuivre"

Dans ce cadre, la secrétaire d'Etat a indiqué que l'absence de réaction des
témoins serait comprise et leur anonymat préservé.
"Il me semble difficile maintenant de venir poursuivre des gens qui étaient
eux-mêmes en danger.
Pour ne pas avoir réagi, il faut concevoir qu'ils se trouvaient en danger
eux-mêmes et qu'ils se seraient d'autant plus exposés s'ils avaient agi.
Donc nous comprendrons tout cela", a-t-elle dit.
Lundi matin, la jeune femme avait raconté à la secrétaire d'Etat aux Droits
de la victime son agression, alors qu'elle était accompagnée de son bébé de
13 mois, entre Louvres et Sarcelles.
La jeune femme, violemment attaquée vendredi par six jeunes qui, la croyant
juive, lui ont notamment dessiné des croix gammées sur le ventre, n'a pas
fait de déclaration à l'issue de cette rencontre.
Outre l'agression elle-même, l'absence de réaction des voyageurs présents
dans la rame au moment du drame avait suscité les réactions effarées des
associations et de la classe politique dans son ensemble.
Le délit de non-assistance à personne en danger est passible de cinq ans de
prison maximum et 75.000 euros d'amende.
Les réactions se sont poursuivies lundi. Le Premier ministre, Jean-Pierre
Raffarin, a appelé les Français au "courage citoyen" pour "résister à la
circulation" de la violence dans la société.

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2004-07-12 15:29:32 UTC
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French politicians have reacted with horror to an anti-Semitic attack on a
woman and her baby on a train.
A gang of young men cut her hair, slashed her clothes and drew swastikas on
her body, before overturning the pram in which her infant was lying.
Other passengers failed to intervene as the six men attacked the woman, whom
they accused of being Jewish.
President Jacques Chirac condemned the "shameful act", which came the day
after he vowed a crackdown on racism.
He demanded that "everything be done to catch the perpetrators... and that
they are judged and sentenced with all severity".
Did they react with horror because the woman was not Jewish?

Adam
Heinrich
2004-07-12 16:55:23 UTC
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Post by Tilly
French politicians have reacted with horror to an anti-Semitic attack on a
woman and her baby on a train.
A gang of young men cut her hair, slashed her clothes and drew swastikas on
her body, before overturning the pram in which her infant was lying.
Other passengers failed to intervene as the six men attacked the woman, whom
they accused of being Jewish.
President Jacques Chirac condemned the "shameful act", which came the day
after he vowed a crackdown on racism.
He demanded that "everything be done to catch the perpetrators... and that
they are judged and sentenced with all severity".
Did they react with horror because the woman was not Jewish?
Adam
no that the rabbi was caught on lies.
plse go show your frustrations elsewhere





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